A whole lot of keris!

[Mans]

Hi Lew, you got the nice kerises, now.

Trying to give my opinion ;
1st : Straight Old Keris Dapur Ron Teki with pamor Wos Wutah (Strewn Rice). Similiar with Dapur Kebo Lajer, but this keris has Kembang Kacang and Lambe Gajah. The character of this blade (on iron, pamorwork and some ricikans style), I think this keris came from Kahuripan era. Kahuripan is the kingdom at east Java before Majapahit era (about 12th-13th century).

2nd : Straight Old Keris from Bangkinang Sumatera. Bangkinang is the name of Kingdom which located near from Riau. Usually the keris like this made about 17th-18th century with no pamor or called as Keris Kelengan.

3rd : Straight Old Keris dapur Jalak Ruwuh with no pamor. If it has, I think it just few Wos Wutah. At the centre of this blade (from bottom until the tip) has ricikan (feature) called Ada-ada or Nggigir Sapi. The iron is very smooth and has the smooth fibrous too. I supposed that this keris came from end of Majapahit period (about 14th-15th century). Unfortunately, looks like the Pesi of this keris has change. Perhaps the original pesi has broken. Usually, the pesi of this keris is very thin.

4th : Keris Bali with 9 waves. I think you must change the scabbard with wooden wrangka in order to protecting the Kembang Kacang.

Overall, these are the beautiful keris, specially the #3 keris Nice !!

[Lew]

Mans

Are you saying these keris are actually that old 1300-1800 or just the style of keris that were made in the 19th century?

Lew

[Mans]

Originally Posted by LOUIEBLADES

Mans
Are you saying these keris are actually that old 1300-1800 or just the style of keris that were made in the 19th century?
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The short little blade with the Sumartran sheath looks to be an old patrem or women's keris.These are somewhat scarce.

On the knowledge of Javanese keris, any characteristics of the keris it self which used to estimating when the keris made and from where it came (Jawa = Tangguh). To estimate the Tangguh, we must known well about the features, the luks and some ricikans style, iron type and pamor work, also some features which shown region characteristics of the keris. Each of regions has self characteristics, this term called "Pasikutan".

Also, we will know and can distinguishing of each keris if we has very familiar with the keris or often seeing and holding many keris by our self.

So, I supposed that some of your keris is an old made from 1300-1800 as I said before. Not just the style of these keris. I tried to explain by the pictures . (Also see more detail pictures of Javanese keris at http://keris.fotopic.net).

About your Bangkinang Sumateran keris, it is not the Patrem because many Bangkinang keris made with the style like this one.

Mans.

[Tim Simmons]

Lew got some really good things here, even I can see that. I do not want to upset anyone as keris collectors can be a little volatile. Are you honestly saying that these have a medieval date. I asked the fairies who live at the bottom of my garden but I could not hear them because of the aircraft noise. Tim

[nechesh]

Originally Posted by Mans

About your Bangkinang Sumateran keris, it is not the Patrem because many Bangkinang keris made with the style like this one.

Hi Mans. Thanks for more of you generously illustrated posts. Pictures help so much, though not quite as much as hands-on.

You did, i assume, notice that the blade of this Sumatran keris is only 8" long. I am not aware of there being many keris from any area that are usually this small unless they are patrem.
I have heard the first blade being referred to as Kebo Teki before. Is Ron Teki more correct in your opion or is either term proper?

[Mans]

Originally Posted by nechesh

Hi Mans. Thanks for more of you generously illustrated posts. Pictures help so much, though not quite as much as hands-on.

Hi Nechesh,

If you near from me, I will borrowing my keris and sending it to you. So, you can hands-on it all But, I think you has many collections too, didn't you ?

Indeed that too many Dapur on the Javanese Keris. At book with tittle Keris (Daya Magic - Manfaat - Tuah - Misteri) wrote that the dapur of Javanese keris made amount 819 kinds. Too much kinds, isn't it ? So that often can make us confused, included me .

Some Dapur has no name yet because not wrote at any literatures or Pakem of the Javanese keris. So, if we found the keris which has no Pakem, we called it as Kalawijan. But, many keris can be identified. Like the differences between Ron Teki with Kebo Teki or Mahesa Teki. "Kebo" is same with "Mahesa", mean Buffalo. Keris Kebo Teki and Ron Teki has the longer Gandik than usual keris. But Kebo Teki has no Kembang Kacang. In the other side, Ron Teki has Kembang Kacang on the Gandik.

Here I posted the pictures ;
1st : Kebo Teki / Mahesa Teki
2nd : Kebo Lajer / Mahesa Lajer
3th : Ron Teki
4th : Dhuwung
5th : Kebo Giri / Mahesa Kanthong

[Lew]

Here are three more keris from that batch they all seem old and etched quite a bit. The naga seems to be missing a peice.

Lew

[nechesh]

Lew, i believe that is a Singa, not a Naga, a lion in a seated position. It does appear to be missing it's gonjo, which is a shame since you don't see too many actually old examples of these blades.

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by nechesh

You did, i assume, notice that the blade of this Sumatran keris is only 8" long. I am not aware of there being many keris from any area that are usually this small unless they are patrem.

There are quite a few with different blade and sheath form from different regions. Known as keris pendek (pendek=short)...

Keris Pendek Sumatra form
Keris Pendek Peninsular form
Sumatra (Palembang) form
East Sumatra form

[BluErf]

And you guys probably remember this archetypal Minang heartland keris. It doesn't get more Minang than this.

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

[Alam Shah]

Originally Posted by BluErf

And you guys probably remember this archetypal Minang heartland keris. It doesn't get more Minang than this.

http://www.kampungnet.com.sg/modules...view_album.php

Pretty new addition to your collection...it wasn't there when I last checked...(last post).