Mid 18 th century Spanish military musket for ID.

Fernando K · 9th October 2015, 11:41 PM

Cerjak

GARATE surname is during 17,18 and 19th centuries.

Efforts should be francisco de Garate, spark (lock-maker) 1722-1740 or Juan Antonio de Garate, spark (lock-maker) 1740 or Juan Martin de Garate, spark (lock-maker) 1745.

Also Juan Bautista de Garate, canonist (barrel-maker) 1806, but the model rifle (musket) is not the same.

-Source Ramiro Larrañaga, "Synthesis of the Basque historic armory", page 214

Affectionately. Fernando K

Fernando K · 10th October 2015, 12:02 AM

Cerjak

Below the bread, says REI punch? (REY)

Fernando K

fernando · 10th October 2015, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

Cerjak

Below the pan, says REI punch? (REY)

Fernando K

Which would mean property of the King.

Cerjak · 10th October 2015, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

Cerjak

Below the bread, says REI punch? (REY)

Fernando K

Dear Fernando,

Thank you very much for your inputs about Garate’s punch .
I have took some additional pictures this morning ( I have just received the parcel)
There is a similar Mark behind the barrel ( REX or REY or REI)
So it seems to be a Spanish service rifle with Spanish official punches But which model is it ?
I forgot to mentioned:
Do you have pictures for a similar model ?
Overall 160 cm and caliber around 18 mm
Best
Cerjak

Fernando K · 10th October 2015, 02:36 PM

Cerjak

For me, this is a copy of the French model of 1717 or 1728, for infantry. The rings for the gun holder (musquet) are on the left side, and rear ring was to be placed in the hole is the left side. Regarding the front ring I can not comment because I do not see from the left side of the weapon, which could be located.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Cerjak · 10th October 2015, 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Fernando K

Cerjak

For me, this is a copy of the French model of 1717 or 1728, for infantry. The rings for the gun holder (musquet) are on the left side, and rear ring was to be placed in the hole is the left side. Regarding the front ring I can not comment because I do not see from the left side of the weapon, which could be located.

Affectionately. Fernando K

Yes Fernando well seen ,this rifle is inspired from the French model 1728 and also it is possible to mount the French bayonet mod 1728 on it .

Best

Cerjak

Shakethetrees · 10th October 2015, 10:28 PM

I believe it is 1750's. Form what I have found most Spanish military muskets in the 18th century carried Miquelet locks and had rings as the heads of their lock screws. This one has the ring.

The side plate is very French, as are the trigger guard and butt plate finial. Both are characteristics of late 17 th pre pattern military muskets from France.

The poor photos below are of a hybrid musket that was cobbled together from Spanish 1754 military muskets and some early Maastricht import musket parts by Godfroi Corbeau (sp) of that city.

From what I've read after this French style musket was issued, the troops using it were not too happy with it as they were more familiar with the Miquelet action.

I believe after this model was phased out Spain went back to the earlier, more familiar system.

rickystl · 11th October 2015, 02:06 PM

Hi Cerjak.
What an interesting musket. I believe I can add some information to this Thread if you let me know the length of the barrel ? The French barrels of this period were about 46.75 inches (118.745cm) and the Spanish barrels were about 43 inches (109.22cm).
Rick.

10th October 2015, 10:28 PM	#7
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	I believe it is 1750's. Form what I have found most Spanish military muskets in the 18th century carried Miquelet locks and had rings as the heads of their lock screws. This one has the ring. The side plate is very French, as are the trigger guard and butt plate finial. Both are characteristics of late 17 th pre pattern military muskets from France. The poor photos below are of a hybrid musket that was cobbled together from Spanish 1754 military muskets and some early Maastricht import musket parts by Godfroi Corbeau (sp) of that city. From what I've read after this French style musket was issued, the troops using it were not too happy with it as they were more familiar with the Miquelet action. I believe after this model was phased out Spain went back to the earlier, more familiar system. Attached Images

9th October 2015, 11:41 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Cerjak GARATE surname is during 17,18 and 19th centuries. Efforts should be francisco de Garate, spark (lock-maker) 1722-1740 or Juan Antonio de Garate, spark (lock-maker) 1740 or Juan Martin de Garate, spark (lock-maker) 1745. Also Juan Bautista de Garate, canonist (barrel-maker) 1806, but the model rifle (musket) is not the same. -Source Ramiro Larrañaga, "Synthesis of the Basque historic armory", page 214 Affectionately. Fernando K

10th October 2015, 12:02 AM	#2
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Cerjak Below the bread, says REI punch? (REY) Fernando K

10th October 2015, 02:36 PM	#5
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Cerjak For me, this is a copy of the French model of 1717 or 1728, for infantry. The rings for the gun holder (musquet) are on the left side, and rear ring was to be placed in the hole is the left side. Regarding the front ring I can not comment because I do not see from the left side of the weapon, which could be located. Affectionately. Fernando K

11th October 2015, 02:06 PM	#8
rickystl Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: St. Louis, MO area. Posts: 1,633	Hi Cerjak. What an interesting musket. I believe I can add some information to this Thread if you let me know the length of the barrel ? The French barrels of this period were about 46.75 inches (118.745cm) and the Spanish barrels were about 43 inches (109.22cm). Rick.