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Old 28th September 2015, 10:52 PM   #1
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Are you sure this is a war hammer. I don't know much about these, but i have never seen one where the back end curves downward so much.
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Old 28th September 2015, 10:58 PM   #2
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Are you sure this is a war hammer. I don't know much about these, but i have never seen one where the back end curves downward so much.
I'm sure David.

here is another one (not mine)
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Old 29th September 2015, 01:03 AM   #3
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the polish ones seem to favour the down-curved spike, some almost hook-like. which might be a useful additional function. most seem to be fairly utilitarian & had wood hafts. the hooks were used to drag an opponent off their horse by hooking their clothing or straps, mail, etc.

light horsemans war hammers (nadziak) were popular in poland's nobility long after they fell out of favour elsewhere.

ref: http://polisharms.com/warhammers/

mine: 15cm across, 2.5 cm. eye hole.
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Old 29th September 2015, 01:25 AM   #4
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nadziaks with sharp downcurved spikes were sometimes called obuszek, as were those with an axe blade opposite the hammer head instead of a spike like this one of mine: the axe end could also hook. this one has a rather nasty butt spike that could finish off an opponent thru an eye or ear hole in their helmet.
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Old 29th September 2015, 05:05 AM   #5
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The round pein and faceted spike are characteristic of Polish work. The repeating stamped motifs are also typical. Nice example.

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Old 29th September 2015, 05:15 AM   #6
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The form suggests Polish work. The repeating stamped motifs are also typical. Nice example.

Salaams Oliver Pinchot, On following up your post I discovered the development in Polish War Hammers followed the essential track of the following from http://www.jasinski.co.uk/wojna/spirals/s-hammer.htm

Czekan. The biggest sketch below.
It consisted of a hammer head on one side and an axe on the other side.

Nadziak. Shown as the only photo below.
The most popular war hammer had a hammers head which was often hexagonal in cross-section and tapering to the shaft. It was usually balanced by a long slightly drooping beak.

Obuch. The smallest sketch below.
Unlike the other two whose names evolved from Turkish, Obuch is an old Polish word - originally the blind end of an axe. It is similar to a Nadziak but with a curved beak which ended up pointing towards the shaft.

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Old 29th September 2015, 06:38 AM   #7
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Salaam alaikum ya sadiq al karim.
This one looks to be 18th century.
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Old 15th October 2015, 11:01 AM   #8
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Salaams Oliver Pinchot, On following up your post I discovered the development in Polish War Hammers followed the essential track of the following from http://www.jasinski.co.uk/wojna/spirals/s-hammer.htm

Czekan. The biggest sketch below.
It consisted of a hammer head on one side and an axe on the other side.

Nadziak. Shown as the only photo below.
The most popular war hammer had a hammers head which was often hexagonal in cross-section and tapering to the shaft. It was usually balanced by a long slightly drooping beak.

Obuch. The smallest sketch below.
Unlike the other two whose names evolved from Turkish, Obuch is an old Polish word - originally the blind end of an axe. It is similar to a Nadziak but with a curved beak which ended up pointing towards the shaft.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
Hello İbrahim, do you know which Turkish words this two terms evolve from? My first guess is Çevgen(polo stick) for Czekan, and Nacak(small hand axe) for Nadziack; but these are just based on phonetic similarities, so it is probably wrong.

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Old 29th September 2015, 09:36 AM   #9
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The round pein and faceted spike are characteristic of Polish work. The repeating stamped motifs are also typical. Nice example.
Thank you Oliver!
So it's a Polish nadziak?

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Old 29th September 2015, 12:23 PM   #10
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Hello , It remember me the ancient luristan or sarmatian hammer ... I ve a similar one in bronze .Your seems later maybe 16th-17th century.... Very nice exemple .
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