A ghotic basinet helmet or victorian exemple ?

[BerberDagger]

Hi Thanks for your comment ! What You mean orso helmet ?

[BerberDagger]

Ah it is 2,6 kg And Size is 22x20x21

[A Senefelder]

The weight seems right for 14th c. Can you possibly get a close up pic of the inside where one of the vervelles ( the little tubes that suspend the cord/wire that keeps the leather band to which the mail mantle is sewn in place ) is attached and perhaps at the peak of the helmet where the slight medial ridging is?

[BerberDagger]

Hello Thanks for your input ! Here Others pics !!

[kronckew]

looks very french*. if the tubes hold the leather binding of the maile skirt, what are the series of peripheral holes for? what kind of inner suspension would it have had?

*- per that most accurate and factual reference: The Holy Grail, by the noted arms expert m.python....

[Marcus den toom]

From the "Krieg und Feuerwerk Buch 1411" (war and fireworks book from 1411).

There are multiple drawings with very similar shaped helmet types, so they might be quit alot older than i first thoughed. I think i saw them in some other manuscript as well, hope to find it.

The small holes alon the edge are most certainly the attachement holes for the mail head piece, which would have protected the forehead, the neck and the back portion. It would fall over the mail shirt and thus protect you from the head to just under the waist.
Those other tubes are new to me, i never saw anything like that. It is not my field though so i am sure a more competent person will adress that.

[NeilUK]

The small holes are where the inner lining of the helmet was stitched in place; the hollow tubes, called 'vervelles' (as A.Senefelder says above) are usually just small rings rather than tubes but the leather band which is attached to the edge of the camail is pierced with holes which fit over the vervelles and then held in place by a wire threaded through the vervelles. The unusual size of these vervelles is the only thing which worries me about the genuineness of this bascinet.
Neil

[A Senefelder]

The small holes alon the edge are most certainly the attachement holes for the mail head piece

They are in fact not,but the holes through which the padded lining would have been stiched. The mail was suspended via the vervelles as described above. For reference see the pic of the rather famous bascinet in the Wallace collection although there are others

Berber would it be possible to do this

Can you possibly get a close up pic of the inside where one of the vervelles ( the little tubes that suspend the cord/wire that keeps the leather band to which the mail mantle is sewn in place ) is attached and perhaps at the peak of the helmet where the slight medial ridging is?

from the inside?