Kris from Java, 1811 (c).

David · 28th August 2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

David, Gustav was talking about the hilt and pendongkok, I'm talking about the keris itself:- the blade. Lots of dress variation in South Sumatra keris.

Yes Alan, i am quite aware that Gustav was talking about the hilt and penokok. Perhaps you hadn't been following my train of thought all along which was trying to rationalize this hilt form with this blade. I'm not sure if a North Sumatran hilt on a Palembang blade would be any less out of place than one on a Javanese blade. Sorry if my last statement confused you. It was written late in the day.

A. G. Maisey · 29th August 2015, 12:04 AM

Thanks for the clarification David.

Yes, I did not follow your train of thought.

In truth, I do not have even the slightest curiosity about the mating of this hilt with this blade. There are just so many possible explanations that any speculation is in my opinion pretty pointless. If the blade was in a properly fitted wrongko some speculation might be justified, but with just a hilt? From my perspective, I don't think so.

David · 29th August 2015, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by A. G. Maisey

Thanks for the clarification David.

Yes, I did not follow your train of thought.

In truth, I do not have even the slightest curiosity about the mating of this hilt with this blade. There are just so many possible explanations that any speculation is in my opinion pretty pointless. If the blade was in a properly fitted wrongko some speculation might be justified, but with just a hilt? From my perspective, I don't think so.

Well again Alan, that is why i stated, twice, that it was a shame that there is no sheath with this keris. This is also why i was questioning for more information on the rather vague provenance since i would image that when this hilt was actually married to this blade would present different possibilities for the reasons why they came together. As to the value of speculation, given the limited information, the one poor photo, the inaccurate description (this most certainly does not appear to be a Sulawesi hilt), etc, we can either speculate or simply say nice looking keris with an unusual pairing with a Northern Sumatran hilt, shrug our shoulders and move on...

A. G. Maisey · 29th August 2015, 10:28 AM

Yep, that's about what I did do David:- my first post to this thread.

My problem is, and it is a continuing one, and I recognise it, I have very, very slight interest in the aspects of the keris that are of interest to most people.

Because of this I try to avoid as best I can the posting of comments that the bulk of people are not interested in, or that might generate some sort of controversy. In so far as I am able, I do try to limit my comments to positive ones that might contribute to an increase in knowledge and understanding.

29th August 2015, 12:04 AM	#2
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Thanks for the clarification David. Yes, I did not follow your train of thought. In truth, I do not have even the slightest curiosity about the mating of this hilt with this blade. There are just so many possible explanations that any speculation is in my opinion pretty pointless. If the blade was in a properly fitted wrongko some speculation might be justified, but with just a hilt? From my perspective, I don't think so.

29th August 2015, 10:28 AM	#4
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Yep, that's about what I did do David:- my first post to this thread. My problem is, and it is a continuing one, and I recognise it, I have very, very slight interest in the aspects of the keris that are of interest to most people. Because of this I try to avoid as best I can the posting of comments that the bulk of people are not interested in, or that might generate some sort of controversy. In so far as I am able, I do try to limit my comments to positive ones that might contribute to an increase in knowledge and understanding.