Censoring the length of haquebuts

fernando · 20th August 2015, 07:39 PM

This is somehow ironical.
More than once discussions have taken place about the length of swords, the Kings having to issue severe laws to limit their dimensions.
Now we find that, with portable firearms, was the other way round.
Here is a law published in 1557, under King Dom Sebastião rule, in which haquebuts could not be shorter than two palms in barrel. Offenders were passive of terrible penalties, including floging, condemnation to the Royal galleys or permanent exile to Brazil, depending on their social 'quality'.
The law acknowledges that, there are persons circulating in the Kings lands with small haquebuts and, their intentions being the practice of crimes and offenses, bringing the said haquebuts hidden, they will easier be able to do it.

(Collection Rainer Daehnhardt).

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Marcus den toom · 20th August 2015, 08:56 PM

Hi Nando,

I did know the story, but never saw actual proof of it. Great job!
For the occasion i wip out this picture of a rather short swivel gun, just for the fun of it. Its location is the newly opened army museum in The Netherlands. They have a few more interesting firearms as well.

The gun is no more than 30-40 cm (including the tiller). Its actuall intend or place of usage is not known.

Rick · 20th August 2015, 09:41 PM

Where does one conceal the lit match ?

Marcus den toom · 20th August 2015, 09:48 PM

These concealable firearms where most likely equiped with a wheellock mechanism. And depending on who you ask (time period migjt differ), a gun like the monks gun could have done the job.

Rick · 20th August 2015, 10:03 PM

Ah, thank you Marcus .

fernando · 21st August 2015, 10:48 AM

Remember the Zippo principle, Rick ?

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fernando · 23rd August 2015, 12:39 PM

Here are the steps to arm a wheellock gun, extracted from a recent movie.
First the hero pushes forwards the striker harm which holds the flint, followed by the winding of the striking wheel (can you hear the sound?). Finally the striking arm is pulled back to the flash pan and is ready for action.
We can see the hero is not in a hurry, but he actually ends up not carrying with the execution... as heroes should be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUl...ature=youtu.be

fernando · 25th August 2015, 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus den toom

Hi Nando,

I did know the story, but never saw actual proof of it. Great job!
For the occasion i wip out this picture of a rather short swivel gun, just for the fun of it. Its location is the newly opened army museum in The Netherlands. They have a few more interesting firearms as well.

The gun is no more than 30-40 cm (including the tiller). Its actuall intend or place of usage is not known.

My example dated 1450 is a bit longer: 43 cms. with its tiller cut off ... go figure why.

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Marcus den toom · 25th August 2015, 06:59 PM

I absolutely love that tiller gun of yours, do you know where it was from?
Did you post it in a thread yet?

fernando · 25th August 2015, 07:07 PM

Here:

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=tiller

20th August 2015, 07:39 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Censoring the length of haquebuts This is somehow ironical. More than once discussions have taken place about the length of swords, the Kings having to issue severe laws to limit their dimensions. Now we find that, with portable firearms, was the other way round. Here is a law published in 1557, under King Dom Sebastião rule, in which haquebuts could not be shorter than two palms in barrel. Offenders were passive of terrible penalties, including floging, condemnation to the Royal galleys or permanent exile to Brazil, depending on their social 'quality'. The law acknowledges that, there are persons circulating in the Kings lands with small haquebuts and, their intentions being the practice of crimes and offenses, bringing the said haquebuts hidden, they will easier be able to do it. (Collection Rainer Daehnhardt). . Attached Images

20th August 2015, 08:56 PM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 541	Hi Nando, I did know the story, but never saw actual proof of it. Great job! For the occasion i wip out this picture of a rather short swivel gun, just for the fun of it. Its location is the newly opened army museum in The Netherlands. They have a few more interesting firearms as well. The gun is no more than 30-40 cm (including the tiller). Its actuall intend or place of usage is not known. Attached Images

21st August 2015, 10:48 AM	#6
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Remember the Zippo principle, Rick ? . . Attached Images

20th August 2015, 09:41 PM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Where does one conceal the lit match ?

20th August 2015, 09:48 PM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 541	These concealable firearms where most likely equiped with a wheellock mechanism. And depending on who you ask (time period migjt differ), a gun like the monks gun could have done the job.

20th August 2015, 10:03 PM	#5
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,376	Ah, thank you Marcus .

23rd August 2015, 12:39 PM	#7
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Here are the steps to arm a wheellock gun, extracted from a recent movie. First the hero pushes forwards the striker harm which holds the flint, followed by the winding of the striking wheel (can you hear the sound?). Finally the striking arm is pulled back to the flash pan and is ready for action. We can see the hero is not in a hurry, but he actually ends up not carrying with the execution... as heroes should be https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vfUl...ature=youtu.be

25th August 2015, 06:59 PM	#9
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 541	I absolutely love that tiller gun of yours, do you know where it was from? Did you post it in a thread yet?

25th August 2015, 07:07 PM	#10
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=tiller