How to date a kilij, or similar sword

harrywagner · 4th August 2015, 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

Yes, this is the publication mentioned.
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Wow. I am surprised. This is one of the books I rely upon regularly. I have not heard that it included modern reproductions. Is that the general consensus here? I hope you are not going to tell me I can't trust Tiri or Elgood either!

Oliver Pinchot · 5th August 2015, 01:48 AM

You can certainly trust Elgood

Ian · 5th August 2015, 04:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver Pinchot

You can certainly trust Elgood

Harry:

Oliver emphasizes the positive, and I agree completely--Robert Elgood is a serious scholar of edged weapons.

You should check this site by searching for "Elgood" or "Tirri" to see what other members have to say about their respective books. You may be surprised.

Ian.

ward · 5th August 2015, 06:54 PM

Elgood is a a well respected researcher and author.
Tirri is a wealthy man who published his collection and than later sold that collection.
Different approaches and reasons to write. Take it for what it is.

ALEX · 5th August 2015, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by harrywagner

Wow. I am surprised. This is one of the books I rely upon regularly. I have not heard that it included modern reproductions. Is that the general consensus here? I hope you are not going to tell me I can't trust Tiri or Elgood either!

This book has many composition swords, old blades with new fittings, almost all are missdated. new swords look like book examples because this is where the "artists" get their ideas from or use authentic as models. One must rely on real life knowledge and experience, not the books alone.

Kubur · 5th August 2015, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ALEX

This book has many composition swords, old blades with new fittings, almost all are missdated. new swords look like book examples because this is where the "artists" get their ideas from or use authentic as models. One must rely on real life knowledge and experience, not the books alone.

Let me add that some of these swords are completely fakes.
and yes, almost all are missdated.

A.alnakkas · 6th August 2015, 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kubur

Let me add that some of these swords are completely fakes.
and yes, almost all are missdated.

The collection in the book is identified by the same dealers that provided them. So that explains alot :-))

5th August 2015, 01:48 AM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 468	You can certainly trust Elgood

5th August 2015, 06:54 PM	#4
ward Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 637	Elgood is a a well respected researcher and author. Tirri is a wealthy man who published his collection and than later sold that collection. Different approaches and reasons to write. Take it for what it is.