Features of this keris.

nechesh · 22nd December 2005, 02:44 AM

Sorry Martin, i didn't see your post til just now. Yes, your keris is of a similar dapor, but just as we were saying about different quality levels of modern blades i think you can probably see that yours is somewhat inferior to Alam's example. While Ki might find the form of Alam's keris stiff i think you will agree that yours is much less flowing. The garap just isn't right. But then, this is just one man's opinion.

BluErf · 23rd December 2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by nechesh

Sorry Martin, i didn't see your post til just now. Yes, your keris is of a similar dapor, but just as we were saying about different quality levels of modern blades i think you can probably see that yours is somewhat inferior to Alam's example.

Mans' kerises have less fancy dapur, but I don't think all of them can be said to be inferior.

The 2nd picture from the top -- that is a very graceful and balanced keris that does not lose out to the karna tinanding, which I think is a nice one too.

Look at the way the kembang kacang progresses from thick to thin before curling in -- its just 'manis' (ok, the final curled tip is a bit disappointing, but still the overal kembang kacang is very well-executed). Notice that both sides of the kembang kacang are not 'flat' at the top; there is a slight concave contour to it. This feature is much better than the karna tinanding's

The jalen and the lambei gajah, and the gandik under the jalen curls very nicely, and are not too long, not too stubby. I feel that this set of features are thus nicer than the karna tinanding's rather exaggerated ones.

The sogokan depan and belakang, in my opinion, are about as nice as the karna tinanding's, though still a bit stiff. Nice fat bungkul too.

The ganja is better though, especially in terms of the definition of the greneng, the length in proportion to the base, and the curve at the end.

Luk-wise, the keris looks proportionate and sweet.

And hey, pamor is condense and very well executed too.

Personally, I'd prefer this keris to the karna tinanding, although if presented with the chance to acquire the karna tinanding, I would grab it too!

nechesh · 23rd December 2005, 09:16 PM

Kai Wee, i wasn't talking about Mans display of newly made keris, i was referring to Martin's (simatua) karno tinanding example which is, at least to my eye, inferior in both overall form and craftsmanship. I agree with you about Mans' examples and have never been one to be swayed by a fancy dapor.

BluErf · 24th December 2005, 12:44 AM

Ops... must be because I'm half asleep when I posted the reply at 1:40am local time...

BluErf · 24th December 2005, 12:50 AM

Incidentally, Martin's keris may be a bit rougher in the blade's department, but the hilt is really good, and so are the sheath and pendok.

Isreena · 9th February 2006, 06:54 PM

Hello Alam Shah,

I really like the keris you just had

Hmmm... Does it come in Luk 9? I'm looking for one just like that

Cool... As long as the piece you like could qualify as what a keris should be? Well be pround of it

I have to agree with you, I too believe that as a so called "new generation keris collectors" we should maintain an open mind. Its Unique and its You

Alam Shah · 10th February 2006, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Isreena

Hello Alam Shah,

I really like the keris you just had

Hmmm... Does it come in Luk 9? I'm looking for one just like that

Cool... As long as the piece you like could qualify as what a keris should be? Well be proud of it

I have to agree with you, I too believe that as a so called "new generation keris collectors" we should maintain an open mind. Its Unique and its You

Hmm?! Welcome to the forum.
Your writing style reminds me of someone...

I know.

Isreena · 14th February 2006, 06:09 PM

Hello Alam Shah,

Hey.... Congratulation on the winning of your Keris Pendawa Karna Tinanding Pudak Sategal in this year's Keris Pageant held at the Taman Warisan Istana Kampung Gelam. Be proud and be you....

Alam Shah · 15th February 2006, 02:36 AM

Thanks Isreena, I like this piece a lot. I guess it's a personal thing.

The person who commissioned this piece had an eye for details, hence a well-made blade with nice fittings. Tayuman (ukiran) and Nagasari (warangka) wood are prized premium fittings (imo).

A luk 9 piece would look great too. The philosophy of the luk 9 could follow the 'The 9 Walis' (Wali 9 or Wali Songo) theme. Just a suggestion.

9th February 2006, 06:54 PM	#6
Isreena Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 9	Keris Pendawa Karna Tinanding Hello Alam Shah, I really like the keris you just had Hmmm... Does it come in Luk 9? I'm looking for one just like that Cool... As long as the piece you like could qualify as what a keris should be? Well be pround of it I have to agree with you, I too believe that as a so called "new generation keris collectors" we should maintain an open mind. Its Unique and its You

14th February 2006, 06:09 PM	#8
Isreena Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 9	Keris Pageant Hello Alam Shah, Hey.... Congratulation on the winning of your Keris Pendawa Karna Tinanding Pudak Sategal in this year's Keris Pageant held at the Taman Warisan Istana Kampung Gelam. Be proud and be you....

22nd December 2005, 02:44 AM	#1
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Sorry Martin, i didn't see your post til just now. Yes, your keris is of a similar dapor, but just as we were saying about different quality levels of modern blades i think you can probably see that yours is somewhat inferior to Alam's example. While Ki might find the form of Alam's keris stiff i think you will agree that yours is much less flowing. The garap just isn't right. But then, this is just one man's opinion.

23rd December 2005, 09:16 PM	#3
nechesh Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 940	Kai Wee, i wasn't talking about Mans display of newly made keris, i was referring to Martin's (simatua) karno tinanding example which is, at least to my eye, inferior in both overall form and craftsmanship. I agree with you about Mans' examples and have never been one to be swayed by a fancy dapor.

24th December 2005, 12:44 AM	#4
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Ops... must be because I'm half asleep when I posted the reply at 1:40am local time...

24th December 2005, 12:50 AM	#5
BluErf Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,180	Incidentally, Martin's keris may be a bit rougher in the blade's department, but the hilt is really good, and so are the sheath and pendok.

15th February 2006, 02:36 AM	#9
Alam Shah Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore Posts: 1,248	Thanks Isreena, I like this piece a lot. I guess it's a personal thing. The person who commissioned this piece had an eye for details, hence a well-made blade with nice fittings. Tayuman (ukiran) and Nagasari (warangka) wood are prized premium fittings (imo). A luk 9 piece would look great too. The philosophy of the luk 9 could follow the 'The 9 Walis' (Wali 9 or Wali Songo) theme. Just a suggestion.