SWISS SPONTOON with trapezoidal head

Cerjak · 10th July 2015, 08:38 PM

I recently bought this spontoon ,I would like to to find more information for similar exemplar with trapezoidal head by now I found nothing similar and I hope that a member could tell me more ..
The Description was :
A SWISS SPONTOON, 18TH CENTURY with flat trapezoidal head, rounded base pierced with a circular arrangement of slipped triangles and crescents, inscribed 'Schweizer Gardes' moulded faceted socket, on a studded wooden haft, with silver brocade tassel 20.5 cm; 8 in head Provenance Louis Bachereau, Paris, 3 September 1933, his no. 2250 JWHA Inv. No. 1982

Any comment on it will be welcome.

Timo Nieminen · 11th July 2015, 08:16 AM

Originally a normal spontoon or glaive where most of the head broke off?

kronckew · 11th July 2015, 10:22 AM

i gather that a number of european monarchs had 'swiss guards' as well as the vatican. the vatican ones use halberds, but the sergeants carry partisans (1st photo). they also have more modern arms

- nice yataghan bayonets on their rifles (2nd photo - posted as it has som pole arms in the background). google images shows a number of swiss guard partisans, the one from saxony has a similar piercing (3rd photo). i can see how it could be truncated & cut to look more like yours. the top flat edge of yours seems to have a rolled upset wire edge of metal like it had been hammered on. ?

Cerjak · 12th July 2015, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kronckew

i gather that a number of european monarchs had 'swiss guards' as well as the vatican. the vatican ones use halberds, but the sergeants carry partisans (1st photo). they also have more modern arms

- nice yataghan bayonets on their rifles (2nd photo - posted as it has som pole arms in the background). google images shows a number of swiss guard partisans, the one from saxony has a similar piercing (3rd photo). i can see how it could be truncated & cut to look more like yours. the top flat edge of yours seems to have a rolled upset wire edge of metal like it had been hammered on. ?

Dear kronckew
Thank you for your comment and pictures
Here are a side view you can perceive that the thickness decreases in the upper part .
Best

Cerjak

kronckew · 12th July 2015, 12:39 PM

more, a russian spontoon, attributed to the reign of peter the great.

and a german spontoon late 18c.

getting closer

10th July 2015, 08:38 PM	#1
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	SWISS SPONTOON with trapezoidal head I recently bought this spontoon ,I would like to to find more information for similar exemplar with trapezoidal head by now I found nothing similar and I hope that a member could tell me more .. The Description was : A SWISS SPONTOON, 18TH CENTURY with flat trapezoidal head, rounded base pierced with a circular arrangement of slipped triangles and crescents, inscribed 'Schweizer Gardes' moulded faceted socket, on a studded wooden haft, with silver brocade tassel 20.5 cm; 8 in head Provenance Louis Bachereau, Paris, 3 September 1933, his no. 2250 JWHA Inv. No. 1982 Any comment on it will be welcome. Attached Images

11th July 2015, 10:22 AM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	i gather that a number of european monarchs had 'swiss guards' as well as the vatican. the vatican ones use halberds, but the sergeants carry partisans (1st photo). they also have more modern arms - nice yataghan bayonets on their rifles (2nd photo - posted as it has som pole arms in the background). google images shows a number of swiss guard partisans, the one from saxony has a similar piercing (3rd photo). i can see how it could be truncated & cut to look more like yours. the top flat edge of yours seems to have a rolled upset wire edge of metal like it had been hammered on. ? Attached Images

12th July 2015, 12:39 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,259	more, a russian spontoon, attributed to the reign of peter the great. and a german spontoon late 18c. getting closer Attached Images

11th July 2015, 08:16 AM	#2
Timo Nieminen Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 422	Originally a normal spontoon or glaive where most of the head broke off?