Go on...show us your Choora!!

ariel · 1st July 2015, 07:45 PM

Another interesting twist:

Harvey Withers, a well-known and respected dealer fom the UK, posted this Choora on E-bay ( it is sold).
The interesting thing is the presense of a lead museum tag with Queen Victoria's mark and , on the reverse, the location of this Choora in the muzeum ( hall and position). This info is per Mr. Withers' information.
Victoria reigned in the 19th century:-)

Tim Simmons · 1st July 2015, 07:53 PM

Unless you can add more information the crown does not mean Victoria.

spiral · 1st July 2015, 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ariel

Harvey Withers, a well-known and respected dealer from the UK, :-)

His books are full of incredibly misidentified pieces. I suggest you get a couple of his books to read....

ariel · 1st July 2015, 08:47 PM

Please address all queries to Mr. Withers.

I am just a messenger, quoting his description.

Jim McDougall · 3rd July 2015, 06:04 AM

Regarding the lead tag with crown, this may not be technically Queen Victoria's 'mark' ,but it is the crown used during her reign from until her death in 1901. It seems the crown used by Edward VII was slightly different.
It is interesting to see this kind of tag used in identifying holdings in these museums.

I personally have not seen the references published by Mr. Withers, but my experiences with him suggest he does seriously research his material. It is almost certain that errors will occur in most published material, whether directly as an error or revised by subsequent research and findings. I would hesitate to discredit any authors work comprehensively as doing so is in my opinion irresponsible. Disagreement with material should be specific and supported by alternate explanation, and readers be allowed to form their own opinions.

ariel · 3rd July 2015, 01:12 PM

Spiral,
I own and have read at least one of his books. Not being a collector of European military swords, I cannot judge the correctness of his attributions. Nevertheless, they seem to be researched and based on genuine knowledge. I have no reason to doubt his opinion and his integrity.

I really did not like your formatting of the citation of my posting: yours put a "smiley-face" directly after my characterization of Mr. Withers as a "well-known and respected dealer", thus giving an impression that I was sardonic about his reputation. The original posting had no such thing.

In the future, please be more careful with citing other peoples' texts.

Thanks.

fernando · 3rd July 2015, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ariel

... Spiral ... I really did not like your formatting of the citation of my posting: yours put a "smiley-face" directly after my characterization of Mr. Withers as a "well-known and respected dealer", thus giving an impression that I was sardonic about his reputation...

I wouldn't have such impression, Ariel; instead i would attribute the sardonic tone to the other party, in the context. But surely the insertion of the smiley in the quotation of your text was a accident; Jonathan would not think of doing such offense in purpose.
Back on track, Gentlemen.

kronckew · 3rd July 2015, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fernando

I wouldn't have such impression, Ariel; instead i would attribute the sardonic tone to the other party, in the context. But surely the insertion of the smiley in the quotation of your text was a accident; Jonathan would not think of doing such offense in purpose.
Back on track, Gentlemen.

ariel's post did have a smiley face, just after 'century'. looks like spiral cut the text out before the smiley and after his intended section & didn't realize what he'd done. always best to replace missing text with an elipsis...

i tend to accidentally create frowny faces when listing examples with a parenthetical comment,

like this one

which should have looked like)

one: (which...)

'nuff said.

1st July 2015, 07:45 PM	#1
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Another interesting twist: Harvey Withers, a well-known and respected dealer fom the UK, posted this Choora on E-bay ( it is sold). The interesting thing is the presense of a lead museum tag with Queen Victoria's mark and , on the reverse, the location of this Choora in the muzeum ( hall and position). This info is per Mr. Withers' information. Victoria reigned in the 19th century:-) Attached Images

1st July 2015, 07:53 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Unless you can add more information the crown does not mean Victoria.

1st July 2015, 08:47 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Please address all queries to Mr. Withers. I am just a messenger, quoting his description.

3rd July 2015, 06:04 AM	#5
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,281	Regarding the lead tag with crown, this may not be technically Queen Victoria's 'mark' ,but it is the crown used during her reign from until her death in 1901. It seems the crown used by Edward VII was slightly different. It is interesting to see this kind of tag used in identifying holdings in these museums. I personally have not seen the references published by Mr. Withers, but my experiences with him suggest he does seriously research his material. It is almost certain that errors will occur in most published material, whether directly as an error or revised by subsequent research and findings. I would hesitate to discredit any authors work comprehensively as doing so is in my opinion irresponsible. Disagreement with material should be specific and supported by alternate explanation, and readers be allowed to form their own opinions.

3rd July 2015, 01:12 PM	#6
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	Spiral, I own and have read at least one of his books. Not being a collector of European military swords, I cannot judge the correctness of his attributions. Nevertheless, they seem to be researched and based on genuine knowledge. I have no reason to doubt his opinion and his integrity. I really did not like your formatting of the citation of my posting: yours put a "smiley-face" directly after my characterization of Mr. Withers as a "well-known and respected dealer", thus giving an impression that I was sardonic about his reputation. The original posting had no such thing. In the future, please be more careful with citing other peoples' texts. Thanks.