Kubur Questions

Norman McCormick · 9th June 2015, 11:41 PM

'28th July 1806. The Board having been pleased to direct that in future all descriptions of Ordnance Stores should be marked with the broad arrow as soon as they shall have been received as fit for His Majesty's Service; all Storekeepers and Deputy Storekeepers and others are desired to cause this order to be accordingly attended to, in the Department under their direction, reporting to the Board in all cases when articles are received to which this mark cannot be applied’

Hi Rick,
It was in use before this time but this order defined its use to this day.
My Regards,
Norman.

Oliver Pinchot · 10th June 2015, 02:33 AM

Rick, I've seen several of these with Serbian inscriptions.

Rick · 10th June 2015, 03:05 AM

No thoughts on the Maker's stamping ?

Norman, I'm not sure about the figure being a 4; it is far from clear and very light; in fact it looks more like a 4 in the picture than under magnification by eye .

Serbian; thanks Oliver .

The only other weapon passed down from him was one of those wedding nimchas from N. Africa .

Multumesc · 10th June 2015, 04:24 PM

Beautiful gun !!!

Kubur · 13th June 2015, 10:36 AM

Hi Rick,
You are super lucky, I found all the informations about your gun.
Will post them this week end!
Kubur

Rick · 13th June 2015, 06:15 PM

Oboy !!

Thank you in advance .

Kubur · 13th June 2015, 08:43 PM

Ok, it's just an abstract of what I read.
Ulcinj was a town to the South of Montenegro and an Albanian centre of pistols production. The town had trade links with Egypt and Tunisia.
Albanesi traders and merceneries worked notably with egypt, Tunisa and Algeria
and participated to the diffusion of Balkans arms in the Ottoman empire.
Ulcinj was also an haven for corsairs from North Africa.
They decorated their gun barrels with animal and humans figures, they even engraved their Italians gun locks from Brescia with figures.
This decoration was made to please the taste of North Africans and mixed populations of Albanians living in Africa.
Reference: Elgood, Arms of Greece, mainly p. 39-40
I think this information is useful not only for your gun, but also to understand the spread of Ottoman arms in North Africa...

9th June 2015, 11:41 PM	#1
Norman McCormick Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,632	'28th July 1806. The Board having been pleased to direct that in future all descriptions of Ordnance Stores should be marked with the broad arrow as soon as they shall have been received as fit for His Majesty's Service; all Storekeepers and Deputy Storekeepers and others are desired to cause this order to be accordingly attended to, in the Department under their direction, reporting to the Board in all cases when articles are received to which this mark cannot be applied’ Hi Rick, It was in use before this time but this order defined its use to this day. My Regards, Norman.

10th June 2015, 02:33 AM	#2
Oliver Pinchot Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 468	Rick, I've seen several of these with Serbian inscriptions.

10th June 2015, 03:05 AM	#3
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	No thoughts on the Maker's stamping ? Norman, I'm not sure about the figure being a 4; it is far from clear and very light; in fact it looks more like a 4 in the picture than under magnification by eye . Serbian; thanks Oliver . The only other weapon passed down from him was one of those wedding nimchas from N. Africa .

10th June 2015, 04:24 PM	#4
Multumesc Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Romania Posts: 204	Beautiful gun !!!

13th June 2015, 10:36 AM	#5
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Hi Rick, You are super lucky, I found all the informations about your gun. Will post them this week end! Kubur

13th June 2015, 06:15 PM	#6
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,347	Oboy !! Thank you in advance .

13th June 2015, 08:43 PM	#7
Kubur Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 2,145	Ok, it's just an abstract of what I read. Ulcinj was a town to the South of Montenegro and an Albanian centre of pistols production. The town had trade links with Egypt and Tunisia. Albanesi traders and merceneries worked notably with egypt, Tunisa and Algeria and participated to the diffusion of Balkans arms in the Ottoman empire. Ulcinj was also an haven for corsairs from North Africa. They decorated their gun barrels with animal and humans figures, they even engraved their Italians gun locks from Brescia with figures. This decoration was made to please the taste of North Africans and mixed populations of Albanians living in Africa. Reference: Elgood, Arms of Greece, mainly p. 39-40 I think this information is useful not only for your gun, but also to understand the spread of Ottoman arms in North Africa...