Indonesian keris in Philippines war

kino · 8th June 2015, 05:23 PM

Carlos, Is this the wall plaque of weapons that you are referring to?
The keris is at 3:00 o'clock.

Sajen · 8th June 2015, 05:39 PM

When it is this wall plaque Carlos referring to and my eyes are good enough I would think that this is a Bugis keris. The Bugis are a seafaring nation and since the Philippines not far away from Sulawesi I am not surprised to see this keris at this old wall plaque.

Regards,
Detlef

carlos · 8th June 2015, 06:01 PM

Yes !!
This is the plaque.
Thanks
Carlos

David · 8th June 2015, 06:24 PM

This is not a really great photo to tell from, but it looks like those might be Indo-keris at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock on either side of the kampilan at noon as well.
Without any context i couldn't really say what made the person who created this wall display include both Indonesian and Moro weapons. While i would not be the least bit surprised to learn that someone during the Moro insurrection or before in the Philippines has and perhaps even used an Indonesian keris in battle i would say that it is unlikely that the practice was all that pervasive.

kino · 8th June 2015, 06:51 PM

I snagged this amazing photo from Filhistory, migueldiaz's Facebook page.
Enjoy.

carlos · 8th June 2015, 07:41 PM

Yes, this is the picture !!

Ian · 8th June 2015, 08:50 PM

Kino:

Thank you for finding and posting this extraordinary image. I have taken the liberty of altering the contrast and size of the cropped image that you posted to show the wall plaque with possible Indonesian keris.

I rotated the image so that it would not need to be scrolled and showed the two kris/keris that David identified as possibly Indonesian with arrows.

To my eye, the ones that David identified at 11 and 1 o'clock in your original post look like Moro kris (I think there is a single baca baca on the one with the arrow). The other sword, shown at 3 o'clock on Kino's original post and with an arrow at the top of my rotated picture, is harder to discern and could be Indonesian or perhaps Bugis--the hilt is indistinct. However, based on this picture, I cannot rule out an older form of Moro kris for this one.

Inspection of enlargements of the other plaques did not show swords that resembled Indonesian keris to me.

Regards,

Ian.

8th June 2015, 05:23 PM	#1
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	Carlos, Is this the wall plaque of weapons that you are referring to? The keris is at 3:00 o'clock. Attached Images

8th June 2015, 06:51 PM	#5
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	I snagged this amazing photo from Filhistory, migueldiaz's Facebook page. Enjoy. Attached Images

8th June 2015, 08:50 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Kino: Thank you for finding and posting this extraordinary image. I have taken the liberty of altering the contrast and size of the cropped image that you posted to show the wall plaque with possible Indonesian keris. I rotated the image so that it would not need to be scrolled and showed the two kris/keris that David identified as possibly Indonesian with arrows. To my eye, the ones that David identified at 11 and 1 o'clock in your original post look like Moro kris (I think there is a single baca baca on the one with the arrow). The other sword, shown at 3 o'clock on Kino's original post and with an arrow at the top of my rotated picture, is harder to discern and could be Indonesian or perhaps Bugis--the hilt is indistinct. However, based on this picture, I cannot rule out an older form of Moro kris for this one. Inspection of enlargements of the other plaques did not show swords that resembled Indonesian keris to me. Regards, Ian. Attached Images Last edited by Ian; 8th June 2015 at 09:02 PM.

8th June 2015, 05:39 PM	#2
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	When it is this wall plaque Carlos referring to and my eyes are good enough I would think that this is a Bugis keris. The Bugis are a seafaring nation and since the Philippines not far away from Sulawesi I am not surprised to see this keris at this old wall plaque. Regards, Detlef

8th June 2015, 06:01 PM	#3
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 751	Yes !! This is the plaque. Thanks Carlos

8th June 2015, 06:24 PM	#4
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,219	This is not a really great photo to tell from, but it looks like those might be Indo-keris at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock on either side of the kampilan at noon as well. Without any context i couldn't really say what made the person who created this wall display include both Indonesian and Moro weapons. While i would not be the least bit surprised to learn that someone during the Moro insurrection or before in the Philippines has and perhaps even used an Indonesian keris in battle i would say that it is unlikely that the practice was all that pervasive.

8th June 2015, 07:41 PM	#6
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 751	Yes, this is the picture !!