Indonesian keris in Philippines war

Ian · 7th June 2015, 05:42 PM

Hello Carlos:

Can you tell us where you saw these wall plaques and what written comments may have accompanied them?

I would be more likely to accept a Philippines origin if these displays were in a Spanish museum than if they were in a private collection. Of course, finding Indonesian keris among Filipino weapons does not necessarily imply that the Indonesian keris was used as a weapon by Filipinos.

Do you have pictures of Indonesian keris interspersed with other Moro weapons? It would be helpful to post those here so we could talk about specific examples.

Ian.

carlos · 7th June 2015, 07:03 PM

I have One image from the 1883 Exposicion de Filipinas in Madrid taken by J. Laurent. On display are various traditional Filipino weapon, but is too large to unload. If somete want I send picture I can send by e-mal.
Thanks

Battara · 8th June 2015, 12:17 AM

Without seeing this, I will say that there was lots of trade between the south Pilippines Moros and Parts of Indonesia, especially from Borneo (not to mention Malaysia)........

Ian · 8th June 2015, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by carlos

I have One image from the 1883 Exposicion de Filipinas in Madrid taken by J. Laurent. On display are various traditional Filipino weapon, but is too large to unload. If somete want I send picture I can send by e-mal.
Thanks

Carlos:

If you can send me the file by email I will try to adapt the size to forum requirements and perhaps select the key elements for enlarging.

Ian.

kino · 8th June 2015, 05:23 PM

Carlos, Is this the wall plaque of weapons that you are referring to?
The keris is at 3:00 o'clock.

Sajen · 8th June 2015, 05:39 PM

When it is this wall plaque Carlos referring to and my eyes are good enough I would think that this is a Bugis keris. The Bugis are a seafaring nation and since the Philippines not far away from Sulawesi I am not surprised to see this keris at this old wall plaque.

Regards,
Detlef

carlos · 8th June 2015, 06:01 PM

Yes !!
This is the plaque.
Thanks
Carlos

David · 8th June 2015, 06:24 PM

This is not a really great photo to tell from, but it looks like those might be Indo-keris at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock on either side of the kampilan at noon as well.
Without any context i couldn't really say what made the person who created this wall display include both Indonesian and Moro weapons. While i would not be the least bit surprised to learn that someone during the Moro insurrection or before in the Philippines has and perhaps even used an Indonesian keris in battle i would say that it is unlikely that the practice was all that pervasive.

8th June 2015, 05:23 PM	#5
kino Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,018	Carlos, Is this the wall plaque of weapons that you are referring to? The keris is at 3:00 o'clock. Attached Images

7th June 2015, 05:42 PM	#1
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,399	Hello Carlos: Can you tell us where you saw these wall plaques and what written comments may have accompanied them? I would be more likely to accept a Philippines origin if these displays were in a Spanish museum than if they were in a private collection. Of course, finding Indonesian keris among Filipino weapons does not necessarily imply that the Indonesian keris was used as a weapon by Filipinos. Do you have pictures of Indonesian keris interspersed with other Moro weapons? It would be helpful to post those here so we could talk about specific examples. Ian.

7th June 2015, 07:03 PM	#2
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 751	I have One image from the 1883 Exposicion de Filipinas in Madrid taken by J. Laurent. On display are various traditional Filipino weapon, but is too large to unload. If somete want I send picture I can send by e-mal. Thanks

8th June 2015, 12:17 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Without seeing this, I will say that there was lots of trade between the south Pilippines Moros and Parts of Indonesia, especially from Borneo (not to mention Malaysia)........

8th June 2015, 05:39 PM	#6
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,214	When it is this wall plaque Carlos referring to and my eyes are good enough I would think that this is a Bugis keris. The Bugis are a seafaring nation and since the Philippines not far away from Sulawesi I am not surprised to see this keris at this old wall plaque. Regards, Detlef

8th June 2015, 06:01 PM	#7
carlos Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 751	Yes !! This is the plaque. Thanks Carlos

8th June 2015, 06:24 PM	#8
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	This is not a really great photo to tell from, but it looks like those might be Indo-keris at 11 o'clock and 1 o'clock on either side of the kampilan at noon as well. Without any context i couldn't really say what made the person who created this wall display include both Indonesian and Moro weapons. While i would not be the least bit surprised to learn that someone during the Moro insurrection or before in the Philippines has and perhaps even used an Indonesian keris in battle i would say that it is unlikely that the practice was all that pervasive.