Katars with protrusion

Jim McDougall · 15th May 2015, 08:03 PM

Thank you so very much Jens for the kind words. It does seem (as once again, I have learned), there are certainly differences in the goals of individuals as we collect and often study these arms.

For me long ago, it became most important to study these weapons to learn their history, and indeed I spent often immeasurable time investigating, and gathering as much information as possible to learn all I could. By including this in admittedly long and detailed posts, I learned and wanted to share the information here, not only to benefit the archived material but to encourage the input and supported rebuttal of others This way not only those who participated would learn and revise material, but the huge volume of readers here would as well .

Having said that, I would very much like to return to this most interesting katar form and continue the valuable look into them. I think we have resolved that there are many avenues of perception in our way of looking at arms, and I look forward to seeing more entries, unconditionally

Thank you again !
Jim

Jens Nordlunde · 15th May 2015, 09:33 PM

Yes I agree with Jim that it is time to discuss the katars again.
The attached one is different from the others shown, as there are only two cross bars, and they are not as slim/thin as the ones shown before.
The attached katar was owned by Maharao Bakhtawar Singh of Ulwar r. 1791-1815.
The frace 'owned by' must be taken with a grain of salt, as it can mean that it came from Ulwar, but it can also mean that it was a gift from somewhere else. So more reaseach is needed to know for sure.

Roland_M · 21st August 2015, 12:10 PM

Hello Jens,

just for showing, this is the only four bar katar without any protrusions I ever saw. I cannot see how they fixed the bars. It is a very massive 750 gram blade made from very fine wootz.

Roland

Jens Nordlunde · 21st August 2015, 03:11 PM

Roland,
Thank you for showing it.
From where do you have the picture? If it from a book - what does the text say?

Not so long ago I saw one on the net, but that is the ony one I have seen until you showed this katar.
Jens

Roland_M · 21st August 2015, 04:52 PM

Hello Jens,

no book, this is the picture from a well known italian auction house in Sarzana and the katar belongs to me now

. For a ridiculously low price.

I already polished the blade and the wootz pattern is incredibly fine and detailed. I have added a picture after the etching process before cleaning, you can see an arrow shaped hardening pattern at the tip of the blade, including the barbed hooks.

Roland

Jens Nordlunde · 21st August 2015, 04:57 PM

Roland,
Congratulations :-).
Please let me see the whole katar after the cleaning - looks to be very nice.
What did the catalogue text say?
Jens

Jens Nordlunde · 22nd August 2016, 03:28 PM

Roland,
Do you remember what the auction text said?

15th May 2015, 09:33 PM	#2
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Yes I agree with Jim that it is time to discuss the katars again. The attached one is different from the others shown, as there are only two cross bars, and they are not as slim/thin as the ones shown before. The attached katar was owned by Maharao Bakhtawar Singh of Ulwar r. 1791-1815. The frace 'owned by' must be taken with a grain of salt, as it can mean that it came from Ulwar, but it can also mean that it was a gift from somewhere else. So more reaseach is needed to know for sure. Attached Images

21st August 2015, 12:10 PM	#3
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	Hello Jens, just for showing, this is the only four bar katar without any protrusions I ever saw. I cannot see how they fixed the bars. It is a very massive 750 gram blade made from very fine wootz. Roland Attached Images

21st August 2015, 04:52 PM	#5
Roland_M Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Germany Posts: 525	Hello Jens, no book, this is the picture from a well known italian auction house in Sarzana and the katar belongs to me now . For a ridiculously low price. I already polished the blade and the wootz pattern is incredibly fine and detailed. I have added a picture after the etching process before cleaning, you can see an arrow shaped hardening pattern at the tip of the blade, including the barbed hooks. Roland Attached Images

15th May 2015, 08:03 PM	#1
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,459	Thank you so very much Jens for the kind words. It does seem (as once again, I have learned), there are certainly differences in the goals of individuals as we collect and often study these arms. For me long ago, it became most important to study these weapons to learn their history, and indeed I spent often immeasurable time investigating, and gathering as much information as possible to learn all I could. By including this in admittedly long and detailed posts, I learned and wanted to share the information here, not only to benefit the archived material but to encourage the input and supported rebuttal of others This way not only those who participated would learn and revise material, but the huge volume of readers here would as well . Having said that, I would very much like to return to this most interesting katar form and continue the valuable look into them. I think we have resolved that there are many avenues of perception in our way of looking at arms, and I look forward to seeing more entries, unconditionally Thank you again ! Jim

21st August 2015, 03:11 PM	#4
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Roland, Thank you for showing it. From where do you have the picture? If it from a book - what does the text say? Not so long ago I saw one on the net, but that is the ony one I have seen until you showed this katar. Jens

21st August 2015, 04:57 PM	#6
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Roland, Congratulations :-). Please let me see the whole katar after the cleaning - looks to be very nice. What did the catalogue text say? Jens

22nd August 2016, 03:28 PM	#7
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Roland, Do you remember what the auction text said?