Swords Final Selection

Antonio Cejunior · 15th December 2005, 04:53 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm almost done with the updates. Only one contributor missing the descriptions.
Today is December 15 my morning and we still have two days to go as far as your time is concerned, so it will be ready on time.

SUGGESTIONS

1. I suggest a pre-selection in which swords (I do privilege swords as first choice for technical display reasons, as well as catalog photographs reasons and finally because all sections will be mainly concentrated on swords) should be pre-selected by groups-shapes such as

KRIS
The picture below is just an example.

where you should name your preferences by selecting the sword's reference number.

Barong

And so forth and on, by groups.

A second group of selected weapons should be also performed as stand-by group for the possible extension of the space.

The Final selection should result in, numbering the swords for the catalog this way. (let us start with Kris as an example and the references are just examples taken at random):

1 (JCA8)
2 (RZ1)
3 (BP2)

This means I will then know the final sequence and grouping, as well as the owner of the sword in the new numbering and so forth. This kind of identification is of paramount importance, for which reason, when we reach that phase, there can be no mistakes

The bold 1 means it will be the Philippines Section opening sword of the Kris sub-section.
My other suggestion is that the lowest number 1 should be attributed to the oldest chosen sword or, cumulatively, to the same region/province as sword 2 and so forth.

This of course applies to all types of swords grouped by shapes/names.
I know the names issue can be controversial, but we are here to solve problems together, not to raise them

. Think of the public and combine the public, the exhibition grouping and the catalogue which should make all the sense by seeing all the groupings.

NORMALIZATION OF NOMENCLATURES
Naming of the swords can be complicated, but I feel they must be distinguished and in his article or in the Glossary mentioned in the post before this one, Federico should make an explanation on this.
Philippines history is another issue that is of the utmost importance, although should be a brief resume and a reference to other books provided for those interested.

DISPLAY AND SPEARS
My role is not a pleasant one. If I were able to take decisions and manage the budget, all weapons would be exhibited.
I would like to state here once and forever, that every contributor is worth the Museum's and my personal gratitude and admiration. But a spear that is between 1.60 m to 1.80 m if displayed vertically, will have the tip quite far away from the viewer's eye, because the display cases are not levelled with the ground. On the other hand they pose a problem shipping. The third issue is that we can only afford one single picture per sword/weapon in most cases, which means that the photograph for the catalogue will need to be of superb quality. As no other Section is displaying spears, I think, although they exist in all cultures, we should allow the space that the spears occupy to display a couple more of swords.

I hate this role, but I am very familiar with the space and display techniques require special lighting that cannot be repeated as it was done for 18 swords in the Masters of Fire Exhibition display for it would be an incalculable price.

Therefore we will have to bear in mind the angles of lighting and so forth.

Please do not hesitate in placing any questions you have. But please place it here for everyone to see.

Thanks very much.
Mark: yep, imperative, not imperious or imperial thanks.

Battara · 15th December 2005, 06:57 AM

Antonio,

you have an email from me.

Antonio Cejunior · 15th December 2005, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Antonio,

you have an email from me.

Got it Battara. Salamat-poo, Kaibigan

Antonio Cejunior · 15th December 2005, 01:04 PM

Greetings everyone,

Apart from Federico Malibago's unavailability in filling all of his entries, announced by him in good time, the final upload has been concluded and can be seen here.
Please click refresh and wait for the download of all pictures referring to 125 entries.

Superb collaboration from everyone.

Thank you very much.
Now please view and take your notes in preparation for voting.
I have sent emails long ago to those who should be voting.
It must be either 3 or 5 people.

Now Mark should be setting up the voting mechanism for Saturday pre-selection.

Best regards,
Antonio

Battara · 16th December 2005, 09:53 AM

Just in case some of us are a little thicker than others (

) it might be a good idea to resend those emails to remind the voters who they are.

Also, walang anuman, Antonio.

Antonio Cejunior · 16th December 2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Just in case some of us are a little thicker than others (

) it might be a good idea to resend those emails to remind the voters who they are.

Also, walang anuman, Antonio.

Kumusta-ka poo, Battara

Mabuti?

I don't think anybody is thick.
Here's what I'm going to do. I will announce the voters and will post them here.
I will be a non-voting member of the selection group.
Come on, every single one of you is a superb human being. I just have to go and check out to whom I emailed and announce it publically. The reason is that this is much fairer. It is not a beauty contest, it is not electing Mr. Contributor, it is pre-selecting swords. For reasons of breaking any possible draw in votes, selection members should be either 3 or 5.
Remember, pre-selection day will be December 17 US time. That allows me to find the email and announce it and will ask the first voter to make it as a poll type, if that is possible at all.

Antonio Cejunior · 16th December 2005, 04:29 PM

Hi everyone

This announcement should have been made by Mark Bowditch, but I found out that he is with a heavy cold in bed, so I will make the announcement.
The three selected members for voting the pre-selection proceedings are:
Fred Malibago
Jose Albovias
Rick Bates
The above selected three contributors as members of the pre-selection group is based on the following criteria:
a- Fred Malibago and Jose Albovias were already contributors before our splendid EEWS version.
b- Rick Bates as also the representative of EEWS who has so kindly and generously agreed to host this fantastic project.

I have been a member of many a selection committees in my life and the ratio of 3 members for seven contributors (excluding my single modest entry of an ignorant begginer) is very good. Usually (and this is not a competition) there are nine designers invited to analyze hundreds of entries. Here are just pictured six.

PRE-SELECTION CRITERIA
Let me state the criteria for the pre-selection:
- Selection by type of swords, ie., for the Kris group the selection group should pre-select in such way that what the group considers the top piece should be such and such entry code (see the contributors page for each sword's code). That means you are pre-selecting by intrinsic quality, period, region, tribe and so forth. If there are 25 Kris entries (just an example) we should have a result of 25 Kris graded from #1 to #25, being #1 the most representative and #25 the most common. (No offense meant to anyone as this is making the rules public).

-This should work for all the sword groups. The selection group will be the one to create the groups such as Barong, Kampilan, Tenegre and so forth, and no contributor will be ignored, independently of how swords are named.
-Pre-Selection can take two or three days until the group has agreed and tuned in the criteria and so forth.
-The pre-selection grading from #1 to whichever number, is a way to assess the grading according to all elements and also to allow for a final decision on the space available. In my own wish, I would have everything. Between wishful thinking and this superb turn-out we will be all making history, hopefully.

Now let's have the pre-selection group work. Thank you each and everyone of you gentlemen. It is amazing your enthusiasm and generosity. You are giving a lesson of civility, of brotherhood and of culture.

Again, let me phrase that this is not a competition, that here no one is winning or loosing, and in the end all will be winners as I think that our main collective goal is to have a great show.
Furthermore, since all the information about period, region, and so forth is available online, except for some of Fred Malibago's swords because of his lack of time, everything will be very clear

Thank you all once again.

15th December 2005, 01:04 PM	#4
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Final Uploads ready Greetings everyone, Apart from Federico Malibago's unavailability in filling all of his entries, announced by him in good time, the final upload has been concluded and can be seen here. Please click refresh and wait for the download of all pictures referring to 125 entries. Superb collaboration from everyone. Thank you very much. Now please view and take your notes in preparation for voting. I have sent emails long ago to those who should be voting. It must be either 3 or 5 people. Now Mark should be setting up the voting mechanism for Saturday pre-selection. Best regards, Antonio

16th December 2005, 04:29 PM	#7
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Pre-Selection Voting Members Announcement Hi everyone This announcement should have been made by Mark Bowditch, but I found out that he is with a heavy cold in bed, so I will make the announcement. The three selected members for voting the pre-selection proceedings are: Fred Malibago Jose Albovias Rick Bates The above selected three contributors as members of the pre-selection group is based on the following criteria: a- Fred Malibago and Jose Albovias were already contributors before our splendid EEWS version. b- Rick Bates as also the representative of EEWS who has so kindly and generously agreed to host this fantastic project. I have been a member of many a selection committees in my life and the ratio of 3 members for seven contributors (excluding my single modest entry of an ignorant begginer) is very good. Usually (and this is not a competition) there are nine designers invited to analyze hundreds of entries. Here are just pictured six. PRE-SELECTION CRITERIA Let me state the criteria for the pre-selection: - Selection by type of swords, ie., for the Kris group the selection group should pre-select in such way that what the group considers the top piece should be such and such entry code (see the contributors page for each sword's code). That means you are pre-selecting by intrinsic quality, period, region, tribe and so forth. If there are 25 Kris entries (just an example) we should have a result of 25 Kris graded from #1 to #25, being #1 the most representative and #25 the most common. (No offense meant to anyone as this is making the rules public). -This should work for all the sword groups. The selection group will be the one to create the groups such as Barong, Kampilan, Tenegre and so forth, and no contributor will be ignored, independently of how swords are named. -Pre-Selection can take two or three days until the group has agreed and tuned in the criteria and so forth. -The pre-selection grading from #1 to whichever number, is a way to assess the grading according to all elements and also to allow for a final decision on the space available. In my own wish, I would have everything. Between wishful thinking and this superb turn-out we will be all making history, hopefully. Now let's have the pre-selection group work. Thank you each and everyone of you gentlemen. It is amazing your enthusiasm and generosity. You are giving a lesson of civility, of brotherhood and of culture. Again, let me phrase that this is not a competition, that here no one is winning or loosing, and in the end all will be winners as I think that our main collective goal is to have a great show. Furthermore, since all the information about period, region, and so forth is available online, except for some of Fred Malibago's swords because of his lack of time, everything will be very clear Thank you all once again.

15th December 2005, 04:53 AM	#1
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	MORE ON PRE-SELECTION Hi everyone, I'm almost done with the updates. Only one contributor missing the descriptions. Today is December 15 my morning and we still have two days to go as far as your time is concerned, so it will be ready on time. SUGGESTIONS 1. I suggest a pre-selection in which swords (I do privilege swords as first choice for technical display reasons, as well as catalog photographs reasons and finally because all sections will be mainly concentrated on swords) should be pre-selected by groups-shapes such as KRIS The picture below is just an example. where you should name your preferences by selecting the sword's reference number. Barong And so forth and on, by groups. A second group of selected weapons should be also performed as stand-by group for the possible extension of the space. The Final selection should result in, numbering the swords for the catalog this way. (let us start with Kris as an example and the references are just examples taken at random): 1 (JCA8) 2 (RZ1) 3 (BP2) This means I will then know the final sequence and grouping, as well as the owner of the sword in the new numbering and so forth. This kind of identification is of paramount importance, for which reason, when we reach that phase, there can be no mistakes The bold 1 means it will be the Philippines Section opening sword of the Kris sub-section. My other suggestion is that the lowest number 1 should be attributed to the oldest chosen sword or, cumulatively, to the same region/province as sword 2 and so forth. This of course applies to all types of swords grouped by shapes/names. I know the names issue can be controversial, but we are here to solve problems together, not to raise them . Think of the public and combine the public, the exhibition grouping and the catalogue which should make all the sense by seeing all the groupings. NORMALIZATION OF NOMENCLATURES Naming of the swords can be complicated, but I feel they must be distinguished and in his article or in the Glossary mentioned in the post before this one, Federico should make an explanation on this. Philippines history is another issue that is of the utmost importance, although should be a brief resume and a reference to other books provided for those interested. DISPLAY AND SPEARS My role is not a pleasant one. If I were able to take decisions and manage the budget, all weapons would be exhibited. I would like to state here once and forever, that every contributor is worth the Museum's and my personal gratitude and admiration. But a spear that is between 1.60 m to 1.80 m if displayed vertically, will have the tip quite far away from the viewer's eye, because the display cases are not levelled with the ground. On the other hand they pose a problem shipping. The third issue is that we can only afford one single picture per sword/weapon in most cases, which means that the photograph for the catalogue will need to be of superb quality. As no other Section is displaying spears, I think, although they exist in all cultures, we should allow the space that the spears occupy to display a couple more of swords. I hate this role, but I am very familiar with the space and display techniques require special lighting that cannot be repeated as it was done for 18 swords in the Masters of Fire Exhibition display for it would be an incalculable price. Therefore we will have to bear in mind the angles of lighting and so forth. Please do not hesitate in placing any questions you have. But please place it here for everyone to see. Thanks very much. Mark: yep, imperative, not imperious or imperial thanks.

15th December 2005, 06:57 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Antonio, you have an email from me.

16th December 2005, 09:53 AM	#5
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Just in case some of us are a little thicker than others ( ) it might be a good idea to resend those emails to remind the voters who they are. Also, walang anuman, Antonio.