Club ID

jaxonrice · 20th April 2015, 11:33 PM

I now suspect that this is a form that genuinely appears on two continents in slightly different guises, as I have seen quite a few of similar shape and form in Southern Africa.

Whilst not of exactly the same form, here is another similar example. The attached picture in this post is of a club that appeared at an auction house in Cape Town in 2013, attributed as a 19th century Zulu knobkerrie.

The example from my previous post which sits at the Royal Museum for Central Africa, was purchased from the National Gallery of Zimbabwe. I highly doubt it originated in the Rennel Islands.

The circumpunct, or circle with a point at its centre, is also not a help with identification as it appears in so many diverse tribal cultures.

Tim Simmons · 21st April 2015, 07:42 PM

My feelings are for an African origin. It would be nice e to be really sure though?

kronckew · 21st April 2015, 07:53 PM

maybe a dna test?

Tim Simmons · 23rd April 2015, 07:28 AM

A cell test can be done on the wood but does cost and may not pin point the exact timber.

kronckew · 23rd April 2015, 09:11 AM

we can probably set up a fund on the web and ask for donations. if they can get funding for studying the mating habits of walrus in the antarctic and penguins in the arctic, we'd be a shoo-in

p.s - there are no walrus in the antarctic, nor penguins in the arctic.

20th April 2015, 11:33 PM	#1
jaxonrice Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 12	I now suspect that this is a form that genuinely appears on two continents in slightly different guises, as I have seen quite a few of similar shape and form in Southern Africa. Whilst not of exactly the same form, here is another similar example. The attached picture in this post is of a club that appeared at an auction house in Cape Town in 2013, attributed as a 19th century Zulu knobkerrie. The example from my previous post which sits at the Royal Museum for Central Africa, was purchased from the National Gallery of Zimbabwe. I highly doubt it originated in the Rennel Islands. The circumpunct, or circle with a point at its centre, is also not a help with identification as it appears in so many diverse tribal cultures. Attached Images Last edited by jaxonrice; 21st April 2015 at 08:13 AM. Reason: Photo did not upload properly

21st April 2015, 07:42 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	My feelings are for an African origin. It would be nice e to be really sure though?

21st April 2015, 07:53 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,225	maybe a dna test?

23rd April 2015, 07:28 AM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	A cell test can be done on the wood but does cost and may not pin point the exact timber.

23rd April 2015, 09:11 AM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,225	we can probably set up a fund on the web and ask for donations. if they can get funding for studying the mating habits of walrus in the antarctic and penguins in the arctic, we'd be a shoo-in p.s - there are no walrus in the antarctic, nor penguins in the arctic.