Club ID

Sajen · 20th April 2015, 05:16 PM

Today I've visited a friend who have a gallery with mostly Papua New Guinea stuff and he had exactly such a club lying around. I asked him about the origin and his answer was Renell Island.

Regards,
Detlef

kronckew · 20th April 2015, 06:15 PM

interesting. either african or rennel islands. i suspect rennel may be closer to the truth.

Sajen · 20th April 2015, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

interesting. either african or rennel islands. i suspect rennel may be closer to the truth.

My friend was very sure about his statement!

Tim Simmons · 20th April 2015, 07:29 PM

Another one that will have to flare up now and again like toothache.

kronckew · 20th April 2015, 09:10 PM

argh! i've got a real toothache at the moment.

jaxonrice · 20th April 2015, 11:33 PM

I now suspect that this is a form that genuinely appears on two continents in slightly different guises, as I have seen quite a few of similar shape and form in Southern Africa.

Whilst not of exactly the same form, here is another similar example. The attached picture in this post is of a club that appeared at an auction house in Cape Town in 2013, attributed as a 19th century Zulu knobkerrie.

The example from my previous post which sits at the Royal Museum for Central Africa, was purchased from the National Gallery of Zimbabwe. I highly doubt it originated in the Rennel Islands.

The circumpunct, or circle with a point at its centre, is also not a help with identification as it appears in so many diverse tribal cultures.

Tim Simmons · 21st April 2015, 07:42 PM

My feelings are for an African origin. It would be nice e to be really sure though?

fireiceviper · 28th July 2015, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Sajen

My friend was very sure about his statement!

i saw a more stylized version of this one in a auction once, it was stylized more like a squid and also attributed to the Solomon islands.

20th April 2015, 11:33 PM	#6
jaxonrice Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 12	I now suspect that this is a form that genuinely appears on two continents in slightly different guises, as I have seen quite a few of similar shape and form in Southern Africa. Whilst not of exactly the same form, here is another similar example. The attached picture in this post is of a club that appeared at an auction house in Cape Town in 2013, attributed as a 19th century Zulu knobkerrie. The example from my previous post which sits at the Royal Museum for Central Africa, was purchased from the National Gallery of Zimbabwe. I highly doubt it originated in the Rennel Islands. The circumpunct, or circle with a point at its centre, is also not a help with identification as it appears in so many diverse tribal cultures. Attached Images Last edited by jaxonrice; 21st April 2015 at 08:13 AM. Reason: Photo did not upload properly

20th April 2015, 05:16 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,325	Today I've visited a friend who have a gallery with mostly Papua New Guinea stuff and he had exactly such a club lying around. I asked him about the origin and his answer was Renell Island. Regards, Detlef

20th April 2015, 06:15 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,249	interesting. either african or rennel islands. i suspect rennel may be closer to the truth.

20th April 2015, 07:29 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	Another one that will have to flare up now and again like toothache.

20th April 2015, 09:10 PM	#5
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,249	argh! i've got a real toothache at the moment.

21st April 2015, 07:42 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	My feelings are for an African origin. It would be nice e to be really sure though?