Swords Final Selection

Antonio Cejunior · 13th December 2005, 06:33 PM

Gentlemen,

Following yesterday's Mark Bowditch post just above this one, here is more information.

1. ABOUT FILLING OUT THE SPECIFICATIONS

I have updated a little bit more according to my time availability. Please check http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...ntributors.htm and click refresh.

There has been different forms of approach which led me to very tiring editing
when my time could be used in other things.

Please finish your descriptions Specs asap. Do not use abbreviations such as 20 c. It should be 20th. century.

These are two good examples of what I consider final specifications, both with or without information, depending on the cases:

Example 1:
RB1
Mindanao Moro Panabas. Moro Wars turn of the century.
Shows battle damage on the cutting edge and a bullet wound on the face of the blade. A testimony to the strength of laminated steel. Rattan wrapping with finer woven rattan bands above; simple carving at the pommell
Overall length: 65 cm
Blade length: 29 cm
Handle length: 33 cm
Scabbard length: no scabbard

Example 2:
BARONG.
Samal tribe, Sulu Archipelago, Southern Philippines. Belonged to datu nobility and is battle piece. It has a silver ferrule. Pommel is small and made out of fossil elephant molar (to ward off evil influences during battle) and thus makes this a rare type of barong.
Date: Late 19th-early 20th Century
Overall: 60cm
Blade: 42.5cm
Hilt: 18cm
Scabbard: none

What are the main differences?

Mainly the date. I am more in favor of a description immediately followed by date.
Meaning:
Kris. 19th. century.
Place of origin, etc.
Measurements:
================================================== ===

2. ABOUT INSURANCE
I have all the insurance values, but will upload all of them after the selection rather than now.

3. VOLUNTEER ANYONE?
Once the pre-selection and selection has been finalized, there is no turning back. I will keep a back up page but will create a final page with all the selected items that will need a criteria to be grouped.
Once this is grouped I would need a volunteer with word doc. to please copy all the descriptions, in the sequence order of the selection by group, paste them in notepad to remove all the html codes from the web page and then again copy and paste and place bolds where they were.
This is the preparation for the final work for the catalogue.
I think this is also something very interesting and civic. Members participating in the editorial process. This is something that can be fantastic.

4. SPACE AND PRE-SELECTION

As Mark has mentioned, we may eventually be able to have more space.
See the difference between

and

It depends on a couple of things among which the budget to build more display cases and other issues that I am not able to disclose. However if this is possible will also allow for a more extensive display, and also for the appearance of a "bible" on Philippines swords as well as Thai and Laos swords plus others. I don't want to make any promises.

4. GLOSSARY
Based on final selection, I think it is imperative to assist the viewer by creating a glossary of terms. What is Visayan? What is Maranao tribe?
So a glossary should be divided into:
a. sword terms and types
b. tribal descriptions
c. all other descriptions that can be part of systhemized glossary.

5. ARTICLE ON PHILIPPINES SWORDS
Should be ready by 22 of January and sent to me. It should be based on an overall approach on the ethno-geography of the Phillipines and its history and societye/societies and zoom into swords.

This is all for now gentlemen. Please rush

Best to all.
Antonio

Antonio Cejunior · 15th December 2005, 04:53 AM

Hi everyone,

I'm almost done with the updates. Only one contributor missing the descriptions.
Today is December 15 my morning and we still have two days to go as far as your time is concerned, so it will be ready on time.

SUGGESTIONS

1. I suggest a pre-selection in which swords (I do privilege swords as first choice for technical display reasons, as well as catalog photographs reasons and finally because all sections will be mainly concentrated on swords) should be pre-selected by groups-shapes such as

KRIS
The picture below is just an example.

where you should name your preferences by selecting the sword's reference number.

Barong

And so forth and on, by groups.

A second group of selected weapons should be also performed as stand-by group for the possible extension of the space.

The Final selection should result in, numbering the swords for the catalog this way. (let us start with Kris as an example and the references are just examples taken at random):

1 (JCA8)
2 (RZ1)
3 (BP2)

This means I will then know the final sequence and grouping, as well as the owner of the sword in the new numbering and so forth. This kind of identification is of paramount importance, for which reason, when we reach that phase, there can be no mistakes

The bold 1 means it will be the Philippines Section opening sword of the Kris sub-section.
My other suggestion is that the lowest number 1 should be attributed to the oldest chosen sword or, cumulatively, to the same region/province as sword 2 and so forth.

This of course applies to all types of swords grouped by shapes/names.
I know the names issue can be controversial, but we are here to solve problems together, not to raise them

. Think of the public and combine the public, the exhibition grouping and the catalogue which should make all the sense by seeing all the groupings.

NORMALIZATION OF NOMENCLATURES
Naming of the swords can be complicated, but I feel they must be distinguished and in his article or in the Glossary mentioned in the post before this one, Federico should make an explanation on this.
Philippines history is another issue that is of the utmost importance, although should be a brief resume and a reference to other books provided for those interested.

DISPLAY AND SPEARS
My role is not a pleasant one. If I were able to take decisions and manage the budget, all weapons would be exhibited.
I would like to state here once and forever, that every contributor is worth the Museum's and my personal gratitude and admiration. But a spear that is between 1.60 m to 1.80 m if displayed vertically, will have the tip quite far away from the viewer's eye, because the display cases are not levelled with the ground. On the other hand they pose a problem shipping. The third issue is that we can only afford one single picture per sword/weapon in most cases, which means that the photograph for the catalogue will need to be of superb quality. As no other Section is displaying spears, I think, although they exist in all cultures, we should allow the space that the spears occupy to display a couple more of swords.

I hate this role, but I am very familiar with the space and display techniques require special lighting that cannot be repeated as it was done for 18 swords in the Masters of Fire Exhibition display for it would be an incalculable price.

Therefore we will have to bear in mind the angles of lighting and so forth.

Please do not hesitate in placing any questions you have. But please place it here for everyone to see.

Thanks very much.
Mark: yep, imperative, not imperious or imperial thanks.

Battara · 15th December 2005, 06:57 AM

Antonio,

you have an email from me.

Antonio Cejunior · 15th December 2005, 07:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Antonio,

you have an email from me.

Got it Battara. Salamat-poo, Kaibigan

Antonio Cejunior · 15th December 2005, 01:04 PM

Greetings everyone,

Apart from Federico Malibago's unavailability in filling all of his entries, announced by him in good time, the final upload has been concluded and can be seen here.
Please click refresh and wait for the download of all pictures referring to 125 entries.

Superb collaboration from everyone.

Thank you very much.
Now please view and take your notes in preparation for voting.
I have sent emails long ago to those who should be voting.
It must be either 3 or 5 people.

Now Mark should be setting up the voting mechanism for Saturday pre-selection.

Best regards,
Antonio

Battara · 16th December 2005, 09:53 AM

Just in case some of us are a little thicker than others (

) it might be a good idea to resend those emails to remind the voters who they are.

Also, walang anuman, Antonio.

Antonio Cejunior · 16th December 2005, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Just in case some of us are a little thicker than others (

) it might be a good idea to resend those emails to remind the voters who they are.

Also, walang anuman, Antonio.

Kumusta-ka poo, Battara

Mabuti?

I don't think anybody is thick.
Here's what I'm going to do. I will announce the voters and will post them here.
I will be a non-voting member of the selection group.
Come on, every single one of you is a superb human being. I just have to go and check out to whom I emailed and announce it publically. The reason is that this is much fairer. It is not a beauty contest, it is not electing Mr. Contributor, it is pre-selecting swords. For reasons of breaking any possible draw in votes, selection members should be either 3 or 5.
Remember, pre-selection day will be December 17 US time. That allows me to find the email and announce it and will ask the first voter to make it as a poll type, if that is possible at all.

13th December 2005, 06:33 PM	#1
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	More information and Instructions as we approach deadline Gentlemen, Following yesterday's Mark Bowditch post just above this one, here is more information. 1. ABOUT FILLING OUT THE SPECIFICATIONS I have updated a little bit more according to my time availability. Please check http://www.arscives.com/historysteel...ntributors.htm and click refresh. There has been different forms of approach which led me to very tiring editing when my time could be used in other things. Please finish your descriptions Specs asap. Do not use abbreviations such as 20 c. It should be 20th. century. These are two good examples of what I consider final specifications, both with or without information, depending on the cases: Example 1: RB1 Mindanao Moro Panabas. Moro Wars turn of the century. Shows battle damage on the cutting edge and a bullet wound on the face of the blade. A testimony to the strength of laminated steel. Rattan wrapping with finer woven rattan bands above; simple carving at the pommell Overall length: 65 cm Blade length: 29 cm Handle length: 33 cm Scabbard length: no scabbard Example 2: BARONG. Samal tribe, Sulu Archipelago, Southern Philippines. Belonged to datu nobility and is battle piece. It has a silver ferrule. Pommel is small and made out of fossil elephant molar (to ward off evil influences during battle) and thus makes this a rare type of barong. Date: Late 19th-early 20th Century Overall: 60cm Blade: 42.5cm Hilt: 18cm Scabbard: none What are the main differences? Mainly the date. I am more in favor of a description immediately followed by date. Meaning: Kris. 19th. century. Place of origin, etc. Measurements: ================================================== === 2. ABOUT INSURANCE I have all the insurance values, but will upload all of them after the selection rather than now. 3. VOLUNTEER ANYONE? Once the pre-selection and selection has been finalized, there is no turning back. I will keep a back up page but will create a final page with all the selected items that will need a criteria to be grouped. Once this is grouped I would need a volunteer with word doc. to please copy all the descriptions, in the sequence order of the selection by group, paste them in notepad to remove all the html codes from the web page and then again copy and paste and place bolds where they were. This is the preparation for the final work for the catalogue. I think this is also something very interesting and civic. Members participating in the editorial process. This is something that can be fantastic. 4. SPACE AND PRE-SELECTION As Mark has mentioned, we may eventually be able to have more space. See the difference between and It depends on a couple of things among which the budget to build more display cases and other issues that I am not able to disclose. However if this is possible will also allow for a more extensive display, and also for the appearance of a "bible" on Philippines swords as well as Thai and Laos swords plus others. I don't want to make any promises. 4. GLOSSARY Based on final selection, I think it is imperative to assist the viewer by creating a glossary of terms. What is Visayan? What is Maranao tribe? So a glossary should be divided into: a. sword terms and types b. tribal descriptions c. all other descriptions that can be part of systhemized glossary. 5. ARTICLE ON PHILIPPINES SWORDS Should be ready by 22 of January and sent to me. It should be based on an overall approach on the ethno-geography of the Phillipines and its history and societye/societies and zoom into swords. This is all for now gentlemen. Please rush Best to all. Antonio Last edited by Mark Bowditch; 14th December 2005 at 02:35 PM. Reason: I changed "imperious" to "imperative," which I think is what he meant. ;)

15th December 2005, 04:53 AM	#2
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	MORE ON PRE-SELECTION Hi everyone, I'm almost done with the updates. Only one contributor missing the descriptions. Today is December 15 my morning and we still have two days to go as far as your time is concerned, so it will be ready on time. SUGGESTIONS 1. I suggest a pre-selection in which swords (I do privilege swords as first choice for technical display reasons, as well as catalog photographs reasons and finally because all sections will be mainly concentrated on swords) should be pre-selected by groups-shapes such as KRIS The picture below is just an example. where you should name your preferences by selecting the sword's reference number. Barong And so forth and on, by groups. A second group of selected weapons should be also performed as stand-by group for the possible extension of the space. The Final selection should result in, numbering the swords for the catalog this way. (let us start with Kris as an example and the references are just examples taken at random): 1 (JCA8) 2 (RZ1) 3 (BP2) This means I will then know the final sequence and grouping, as well as the owner of the sword in the new numbering and so forth. This kind of identification is of paramount importance, for which reason, when we reach that phase, there can be no mistakes The bold 1 means it will be the Philippines Section opening sword of the Kris sub-section. My other suggestion is that the lowest number 1 should be attributed to the oldest chosen sword or, cumulatively, to the same region/province as sword 2 and so forth. This of course applies to all types of swords grouped by shapes/names. I know the names issue can be controversial, but we are here to solve problems together, not to raise them . Think of the public and combine the public, the exhibition grouping and the catalogue which should make all the sense by seeing all the groupings. NORMALIZATION OF NOMENCLATURES Naming of the swords can be complicated, but I feel they must be distinguished and in his article or in the Glossary mentioned in the post before this one, Federico should make an explanation on this. Philippines history is another issue that is of the utmost importance, although should be a brief resume and a reference to other books provided for those interested. DISPLAY AND SPEARS My role is not a pleasant one. If I were able to take decisions and manage the budget, all weapons would be exhibited. I would like to state here once and forever, that every contributor is worth the Museum's and my personal gratitude and admiration. But a spear that is between 1.60 m to 1.80 m if displayed vertically, will have the tip quite far away from the viewer's eye, because the display cases are not levelled with the ground. On the other hand they pose a problem shipping. The third issue is that we can only afford one single picture per sword/weapon in most cases, which means that the photograph for the catalogue will need to be of superb quality. As no other Section is displaying spears, I think, although they exist in all cultures, we should allow the space that the spears occupy to display a couple more of swords. I hate this role, but I am very familiar with the space and display techniques require special lighting that cannot be repeated as it was done for 18 swords in the Masters of Fire Exhibition display for it would be an incalculable price. Therefore we will have to bear in mind the angles of lighting and so forth. Please do not hesitate in placing any questions you have. But please place it here for everyone to see. Thanks very much. Mark: yep, imperative, not imperious or imperial thanks.

15th December 2005, 01:04 PM	#5
Antonio Cejunior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Macau Posts: 294	Final Uploads ready Greetings everyone, Apart from Federico Malibago's unavailability in filling all of his entries, announced by him in good time, the final upload has been concluded and can be seen here. Please click refresh and wait for the download of all pictures referring to 125 entries. Superb collaboration from everyone. Thank you very much. Now please view and take your notes in preparation for voting. I have sent emails long ago to those who should be voting. It must be either 3 or 5 people. Now Mark should be setting up the voting mechanism for Saturday pre-selection. Best regards, Antonio

15th December 2005, 06:57 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Antonio, you have an email from me.

16th December 2005, 09:53 AM	#6
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Just in case some of us are a little thicker than others ( ) it might be a good idea to resend those emails to remind the voters who they are. Also, walang anuman, Antonio.