Sheffield-made Kaskara

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Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams Jim, Thanks for that detail... The Stengun (Stirling Turpin Enfield) story also has an interesting tale in that no factories were able to make the curved magazine however a miniature railways company filled the gap as they had the machinery to make curved miniature railtrack and with some modifications were turning out magazines for the Sten in no time at all...
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

mmm Can you substantiate any of that story Ibrahim?

After all Sten guns from mk.1 to mk.5 all had straight magazines, so your story seems rather fanciful?

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[Norman McCormick]

Hi,
The Sterling had curved magazines but I can't remember any problems with said magazine production.
Regards,
Norman.

[Edster]

Stephen & Sander. Great rare blades that have both the steel supplier and machinery mfg. stamped on the blades.

As Stephen notes, Platt Bros. were the world's largest producer cotton processing machinery. Sudan exported to England much/most of the cotton produced on the Gezira Scheme south of Khartoum. Pratt likely exported machinery to the cotton industry in Sudan. My guess is that each blade was originally a blade of a cotton bale cutter or similar device. Stephen's likely had the traditional three fullers added locally. Sander's has no fullers and was apparently repurposed into a kaskara with little more than producing a second edge. Both swords have the chisel style cross-guards fashionable in Sennar. Sennar dam was built in 1926 to provide irrigation water to the Gerzira Scheme. This could date the swords to circa 1930.

Best regards,
Ed

[Edster]

Opps, double post. Sorry.

Stephen & Sander. Great rare blades that have both the steel supplier and machinery mfg. stamped on the blades.

As Stephen notes, Platt Bros. were the world's largest producer cotton processing machinery. Sudan exported much/most of the cotton produced on the Gezira Scheme south of Khartoum. Pratt likely exported machinery to the cotton industry in Sudan. My guess is that each blade was originally a blade of a cotton bale cutter or similar device. Stephen's had the traditional three fullers added locally. Sander's has no fullers and was apparently repurposed into a kaskara with little more than producing a second edge. Both swords have the chisel style cross-guards fashionable in Sennar. Sennar dam was built in 1926 to provide irrigation water to the Gerzira Scheme. This could date the swords to circa 1930.

Best regards,
Ed

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Edster

Opps, double post. Sorry.

Stephen & Sander. Great rare blades that have both the steel supplier and machinery mfg. stamped on the blades.

As Stephen notes, Platt Bros. were the world's largest producer cotton processing machinery. Sudan exported much/most of the cotton produced on the Gezira Scheme south of Khartoum. Pratt likely exported machinery to the cotton industry in Sudan. My guess is that each blade was originally a blade of a cotton bale cutter or similar device. Stephen's had the traditional three fullers added locally. Sander's has no fullers and was apparently repurposed into a kaskara with little more than producing a second edge. Both swords have the chisel style cross-guards fashionable in Sennar. Sennar dam was built in 1926 to provide irrigation water to the Gerzira Scheme. This could date the swords to circa 1930.

Best regards,
Ed

Salaams Ed, Thoroughly good research Sir...I enjoyed that...
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by spiral

mmm Can you substantiate any of that story Ibrahim?

After all Sten guns from mk.1 to mk.5 all had straight magazines, so your story seems rather fanciful?

spiral

Salaams spiral, I think you may be right and I cannot substantiate that part of the story except...as it transpires there was a company in Scotland that was making weapons for the Germans...I cant remember the Mark..but they were a Sewing Machine Company called ...Singer Sewing Machines.


SALAAMS SANDER, I HOPE THAT SLIGHT DERAILMENT DOESN'T SPOIL THE THREAD WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING AND ESPECIALLY AS ANOTHER SWORD HAS SURFACED WITH YOU ...AND WELCOME TO THE FORUM ...


Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[spiral]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams spiral, I think you may be right and I cannot substantiate that part of the story except...as it transpires there was a company in Scotland that was making weapons for the Germans...I cant remember the Mark..but they were a Sewing Machine Company called ...Singer Sewing Machines.
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Bonjour! Ibrahim!

I am.

I have a list of many hundreds of engineering firms who made parts for machine guns, rifles, grenades or also like Singer sewing machines bayonets in ww1 or ww2.

Mechanical engineering is all the same whether bicycles, sewing machines or guns.

It was the facts {or not} re.the curved magazine part & the miniature railway company sten magazine manufacture you had made, that I was questioning., as clearly that's incorrect.

[David R]

Bren Gun magazines?

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Bren gun was a Czechoslovakian design.. Made at Enfield from mid 30s.....

The curved magazine wasn't a problem. Everybody made them..

[Sander]

SALAAMS SANDER, I HOPE THAT SLIGHT DERAILMENT DOESN'T SPOIL THE THREAD WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING AND ESPECIALLY AS ANOTHER SWORD HAS SURFACED WITH YOU ...AND WELCOME TO THE FORUM ...

Thanks Ibrahim, happy to join the forum, and thanks Ed for an interesting comment. Here is a picture of the possible small engraving on the back of the blade - if it is one at all. Any clues?

Best
Sander

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by Sander

SALAAMS SANDER, I HOPE THAT SLIGHT DERAILMENT DOESN'T SPOIL THE THREAD WHICH IS VERY INTERESTING AND ESPECIALLY AS ANOTHER SWORD HAS SURFACED WITH YOU ...AND WELCOME TO THE FORUM ...

Thanks Ibrahim, happy to join the forum, and thanks Ed for an interesting comment. Here is a picture of the possible small engraving on the back of the blade - if it is one at all. Any clues?

Best
Sander

Salaams Sander Whilst it could be a part of a blade mark my suggestion is that it is not...but it is always an interesting possibility. some odd looking strikes were simply a small cross, perhaps a shortened God is Great format but its always a great question... tap in blade marks on forum and cruise the library ...sorry tap on http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ht=blade+marks
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by spiral

Bonjour! Ibrahim!

I am.

I have a list of many hundreds of engineering firms who made parts for machine guns, rifles, grenades or also like Singer sewing machines bayonets in ww1 or ww2.

Mechanical engineering is all the same whether bicycles, sewing machines or guns.

It was the facts {or not} re.the curved magazine part & the miniature railway company sten magazine manufacture you had made, that I was questioning., as clearly that's incorrect.

Salaams Spiral...In fact before I make a mistake and derail rather...the thread... I have checked my dates on this particular machine company and indeed they did make arms...the 75 mm ships cannon for example and the 9mm Pistol...but I will let you check that;please see http://singermemories.com/guns-sewing-machines/ and note I have pushed the envelope back more than 100 years so bringing a flavour of antiquity into my throw away remark on the Sten...which is rather too young a subject. ...The old chap who related the story to me may have got it mixed up...as I suggest with the Sten...if nothing else it perhaps illustrates how the modern era influenced weapons and in the case of the sword situation at thread how a modern machine part became part of an old sword...if in fact it did?

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[spiral]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

Salaams Spiral...In fact before I make a mistake and derail rather...the thread... I have checked my dates on this particular machine company and indeed they did make arms...the 75 mm ships cannon for example and the 9mm Pistol...but I will let you check that;please see http://singermemories.com/guns-sewing-machines/ and note I have pushed the envelope back more than 100 years so bringing a flavour of antiquity into my throw away remark on the Sten...which is rather too young a subject. ...The old chap who related the story to me may have got it mixed up...as I suggest with the Sten...if nothing else it perhaps illustrates how the modern era influenced weapons and in the case of the sword situation at thread how a modern machine part became part of an old sword...if in fact it did?

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

Namaste! Ibrhaim! No one said singer didn't make arms Ibrahin..as I said most GB engineering firms did to a smaller or greater extent.

But thank you for all the filler words.

This is what I pointed out as fancifull... nothing else.....

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

The Stengun (Stirling Turpin Enfield) story also has an interesting tale in that no factories were able to make the curved magazine however a miniature railways company filled the gap as they had the machinery to make curved miniature railtrack and with some modifications were turning out magazines for the Sten in no time at all... .

Simples!

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Originally Posted by spiral

Namaste! Ibrhaim! No one said singer didn't make arms Ibrahin..as I said most GB engineering firms did to a smaller or greater extent.

But thank you for all the filler words.

This is what I pointed out as fancifull... nothing else.....



Simples!

Salaams Spiral, Yes I'm glad you liked my interesting tale
Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[spiral]

Shalom! Ibrahim!

Ahh yes of course ! I forgot your little pleasure..

Ill have to remember a little pseudonym for you so I remember.

Ibrahiim al Balooshi the teller of tall tales...

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