New acquisition

M ELEY · 25th February 2015, 03:16 PM

Hmmm...The hilt on this piece looks exactly as you guessed, 17th. The blade has honest aging/patina to it. There were certainly ribbed blades with expanded bolsters at this time to aid in armor-piercing. Yes, many bayonet blades had this feature, but I think yours is original to the piece. Not my area, but some research might turn up similar pieces with the thickened/ribbed ridge blade?

Shakethetrees · 25th February 2015, 05:39 PM

The "flanges" of the blade are very thin, almost razor-like. The taper is unlike the taper of the Lorenz, and all other socket bayonets I have see over the years.

In looking at the pommel button and the guard/blade interface, I do not believe it has been apart.

I have un hilted many blades in order to do restoration.i understand how to "cover the tracks" when reassembling. This piece does not have the tell-tale signs of ever having been un-hilted.

I may have access to a Lorenz bayonet. If I can find it, I will add side by side comparison images.

Will M · 25th February 2015, 06:25 PM

What is the width 10" from the guard? I have a Lorenz bayonet and I don't believe it looks as wide that far out.

fernando · 25th February 2015, 08:35 PM

Hi Shakethetrees,
Try and trim the size of your images before you upload them; they may well do with 'half of the height'

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Concerning your interesting piece and not having the knowledge to precise what it is about, i too suspect that all three parts come from different provenance. I have a fantasy that the handle may have belonged in a hunting sword and the guard in a stiletto... but don't pay much notice to my inconsistent opinion

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Will M · 26th February 2015, 04:12 AM

10" from the base of a Lorenz blade is 3/4" wide. At the ricasso is 1" wide and 1/2" thick. Seems likely your dagger is a cut down Lorenz

Shakethetrees · 26th February 2015, 05:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Will M

10" from the base of a Lorenz blade is 3/4" wide. At the ricasso is 1" wide and 1/2" thick. Seems likely your dagger is a cut down Lorenz

It's a bit over 3/4" wide at 10" from the guard, and slightly under 5/16" thick, top of the spine to top of the spine at the guard. At the ricasso, it's about 1 1/32".

The taper of the blade overall along the length is not the same as a Lorenz. The bayonet's taper is straight to almost the point, while this blade runs out toward the point in a gentle curve, with the curve becoming more pronounced in the last few inches. The flanges are almost razor-like, too thin for a bayonet.

Will M · 26th February 2015, 06:45 AM

That does sound different then that bayonet. Can you picture it on edge?

Definitely a thruster with a stiff designed blade.

25th February 2015, 03:16 PM	#1
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,206	Hmmm...The hilt on this piece looks exactly as you guessed, 17th. The blade has honest aging/patina to it. There were certainly ribbed blades with expanded bolsters at this time to aid in armor-piercing. Yes, many bayonet blades had this feature, but I think yours is original to the piece. Not my area, but some research might turn up similar pieces with the thickened/ribbed ridge blade?

25th February 2015, 05:39 PM	#2
Shakethetrees Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: Louisiana Posts: 363	The "flanges" of the blade are very thin, almost razor-like. The taper is unlike the taper of the Lorenz, and all other socket bayonets I have see over the years. In looking at the pommel button and the guard/blade interface, I do not believe it has been apart. I have un hilted many blades in order to do restoration.i understand how to "cover the tracks" when reassembling. This piece does not have the tell-tale signs of ever having been un-hilted. I may have access to a Lorenz bayonet. If I can find it, I will add side by side comparison images.

25th February 2015, 06:25 PM	#3
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 406	What is the width 10" from the guard? I have a Lorenz bayonet and I don't believe it looks as wide that far out.

25th February 2015, 08:35 PM	#4
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Hi Shakethetrees, Try and trim the size of your images before you upload them; they may well do with 'half of the height' . Concerning your interesting piece and not having the knowledge to precise what it is about, i too suspect that all three parts come from different provenance. I have a fantasy that the handle may have belonged in a hunting sword and the guard in a stiletto... but don't pay much notice to my inconsistent opinion .

26th February 2015, 04:12 AM	#5
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 406	10" from the base of a Lorenz blade is 3/4" wide. At the ricasso is 1" wide and 1/2" thick. Seems likely your dagger is a cut down Lorenz

26th February 2015, 06:45 AM	#7
Will M Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: In the wee woods north of Napanee Ontario Posts: 406	That does sound different then that bayonet. Can you picture it on edge? Definitely a thruster with a stiff designed blade.