Austrian flintlock Pistol for id

Fernando K · 15th February 2015, 02:38 PM

hello

For me, is a Belgian copy, the punch of Liege and the number "852" which means 1852

Affectionately. Fernando K

corrado26 · 15th February 2015, 04:45 PM

This was originally an Austrian pistol M 1851 system Augustin, a special Percussion system only used in Austria. After the German-Austrian War of 1866 Austria sold lots of these pistols to the market. Liège Dealers and gunmakers bought them in great quantities and built them back to flintlocks. These reconverted pistols have than been sold to states in South America and given as exchange material to African clan chiefs in the European overseas colonies.

corrado26

Cerjak · 15th February 2015, 05:50 PM

Hi Corrado,
I found an eagle mark on the lock so I believe it could be a pistol for the American market.
Thank you for your help.

Cerjak

corrado26 · 16th February 2015, 08:03 AM

No, this eagle mark is the proofmark of Vienna!
corrado26

fernando · 16th February 2015, 02:18 PM

So we have that Lean-Luc's (Cerjak) pistol bears the Liege proof mark on the barrel and the Austrian eagle and date of manufacture on the lock.
What does this bring us to ? If it was sent to Liege for reconversion, is it plausible that Austrian flint locks were sent together with the pistols ?
Or is it that Liege workshops were instructed to mark the new Liege made locks with the the Austrian eagle?

Cerjak · 16th February 2015, 03:19 PM

I found same pistols sold by christies
see below description and pics
A BRACE OF AUSTRIAN 16.9mm FLINTLOCK SERVICE PISTOLS
EACH MARKED '852' FOR 1852
Each with tapering barrel, iron tang, flat bevelled lock with date mark, iron pan and double-headed eagle stamp on the tail, beech full stock, iron trigger-plate, brass mounts including fore-end barrel-band also incorporating the fore-sight and pommel fitted with an iron lanyard-loop, and iron ramrod (iron parts discoloured with some light corrosion marking), numerous inspection marks and Liege proof
9 7/8in. (25.1cm.) barrels (2)

corrado26 · 16th February 2015, 03:37 PM

It is very, very simple: All Augustin pistols had this Vienna proofmark. After 1866 these pistols with this proofmark have been sold as percussion pistols with the Augustin system to Liège gunmakers and dealers. After the reconversion to flintlocks they had to be proofed according the Belgian laws. So they got the "ELG" mark on the barrel. Quite simple, isn't it!
corrado26

15th February 2015, 05:50 PM	#3
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	Hi Corrado, I found an eagle mark on the lock so I believe it could be a pistol for the American market. Thank you for your help. Cerjak Attached Images

16th February 2015, 03:19 PM	#6
Cerjak Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: FRANCE Posts: 1,065	I found same pistols sold by christies see below description and pics A BRACE OF AUSTRIAN 16.9mm FLINTLOCK SERVICE PISTOLS EACH MARKED '852' FOR 1852 Each with tapering barrel, iron tang, flat bevelled lock with date mark, iron pan and double-headed eagle stamp on the tail, beech full stock, iron trigger-plate, brass mounts including fore-end barrel-band also incorporating the fore-sight and pommel fitted with an iron lanyard-loop, and iron ramrod (iron parts discoloured with some light corrosion marking), numerous inspection marks and Liege proof 9 7/8in. (25.1cm.) barrels (2) Attached Images

15th February 2015, 02:38 PM	#1
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	hello For me, is a Belgian copy, the punch of Liege and the number "852" which means 1852 Affectionately. Fernando K

15th February 2015, 04:45 PM	#2
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	This was originally an Austrian pistol M 1851 system Augustin, a special Percussion system only used in Austria. After the German-Austrian War of 1866 Austria sold lots of these pistols to the market. Liège Dealers and gunmakers bought them in great quantities and built them back to flintlocks. These reconverted pistols have than been sold to states in South America and given as exchange material to African clan chiefs in the European overseas colonies. corrado26

16th February 2015, 08:03 AM	#4
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	No, this eagle mark is the proofmark of Vienna! corrado26

16th February 2015, 02:18 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	So we have that Lean-Luc's (Cerjak) pistol bears the Liege proof mark on the barrel and the Austrian eagle and date of manufacture on the lock. What does this bring us to ? If it was sent to Liege for reconversion, is it plausible that Austrian flint locks were sent together with the pistols ? Or is it that Liege workshops were instructed to mark the new Liege made locks with the the Austrian eagle?

16th February 2015, 03:37 PM	#7
corrado26 Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Black Forest, Germany Posts: 1,231	It is very, very simple: All Augustin pistols had this Vienna proofmark. After 1866 these pistols with this proofmark have been sold as percussion pistols with the Augustin system to Liège gunmakers and dealers. After the reconversion to flintlocks they had to be proofed according the Belgian laws. So they got the "ELG" mark on the barrel. Quite simple, isn't it! corrado26