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colin henshaw · 26th October 2014, 09:26 AM

Nice club. I've seen this type once or twice before, sometimes described as Hawaii or elsewhere Oceanic. My own feeling is that a South American source should be considered (Brazil/Guyana). That reddish wood and the concave element are indicators...

Tim Simmons · 26th October 2014, 11:51 AM

Thank you Colin. Now you mention South America, I think you are correct. In this Aputu the article.

http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...t=anthrotheses

Mention is made of belaying pin form clubs. Lime? like material is found as inlay on some South American clubs.

kronckew · 21st November 2014, 08:39 PM

just bought this one thru ebay. 17 3/4 in. long. billed as "Superb Vintage African Tribal Art Knobkerrie Throwing Club?".

more round circles with dotted centers.

the club pdf referenced above has a cryptic reference to belaying pin shaped clubs as applied to two in a photo that look completely unlike tim's and now mine.

jaxonrice · 31st March 2015, 02:37 PM

These staffs are definitely Southern or South East African. I've seen a few over the years.

My gut tells me I saw one of these in Situ amongst the Barotse (Lozi) tribe in the early nineties, but I was not taking photographs at the time and can not be sure.

I would think that these staffs are probably ceremonial in nature rather than throwing clubs due to the lack of damage or wear from throwing use that I've seen on any of them.

I've attached two pictures of similar staffs to this post. The first is from the Royal Museum for Central Africa in Belgium, where it's attributed to the Shona:
http://www.africamuseum.be/collectio...objectid=55811

The second one was being sold last year by Wallis & Wallis auction house in the UK, and was attributed as a Southern African knobkerrie.

Tim Simmons · 31st March 2015, 07:25 PM

Great sense at last.

21st November 2014, 08:39 PM	#3
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,224	just bought this one thru ebay. 17 3/4 in. long. billed as "Superb Vintage African Tribal Art Knobkerrie Throwing Club?". more round circles with dotted centers. the club pdf referenced above has a cryptic reference to belaying pin shaped clubs as applied to two in a photo that look completely unlike tim's and now mine. Attached Images

31st March 2015, 02:37 PM	#4
jaxonrice Member Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Johannesburg, South Africa Posts: 12	These staffs are definitely Southern or South East African. I've seen a few over the years. My gut tells me I saw one of these in Situ amongst the Barotse (Lozi) tribe in the early nineties, but I was not taking photographs at the time and can not be sure. I would think that these staffs are probably ceremonial in nature rather than throwing clubs due to the lack of damage or wear from throwing use that I've seen on any of them. I've attached two pictures of similar staffs to this post. The first is from the Royal Museum for Central Africa in Belgium, where it's attributed to the Shona: http://www.africamuseum.be/collectio...objectid=55811 The second one was being sold last year by Wallis & Wallis auction house in the UK, and was attributed as a Southern African knobkerrie. Attached Images

26th October 2014, 09:26 AM	#1
colin henshaw Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,429	Nice club. I've seen this type once or twice before, sometimes described as Hawaii or elsewhere Oceanic. My own feeling is that a South American source should be considered (Brazil/Guyana). That reddish wood and the concave element are indicators...

26th October 2014, 11:51 AM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Thank you Colin. Now you mention South America, I think you are correct. In this Aputu the article. http://digitalcommons.unl.edu/cgi/vi...t=anthrotheses Mention is made of belaying pin form clubs. Lime? like material is found as inlay on some South American clubs.

31st March 2015, 07:25 PM	#5
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Great sense at last.