PARANG NJABOER / NABUR ' Recognition Chart ' (i)

Amuk Murugul · 25th October 2014, 07:34 PM

Basic types based on general overall appearance:

Amuk Murugul · 25th October 2014, 07:35 PM

Notes:
- There is no standard for curvature or length.
- Parang Njaboer Balanak, aka Parang Toeso'.
- Parang Njaboer Lais, aka Parang Soedo'.
- Parang Njaboer Pipih, aka Parang Patjat Gantoeng.
- Such parangs generally aka Parang Pamangkas or Parang Kemoedi Singkir.
- Prior to c.1860, red-painted parang-njaboers ( Baladaw Balabang ) were worn by outer-perimeter palace-guards.

Best,

Amuk Murugul · 9th January 2015, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Amuk Murugul

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- Such parangs generally aka Parang Pamangkas or Parang Kemoedi Singkir.
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SHOULD BE:

- Such parangs generally aka Parang Panangkas or Parang Kemoedi Singkir.

Apologies.

Amuk Murugul · 9th January 2015, 05:34 AM

Just for the sake of completeness:

Pedang Salin Alai Waloet & Pedang Salin Alai Balanak respectively:

VVV · 9th January 2015, 06:52 AM

Amuk,

It's interesting to see all slight variations of the same sword in one thread but what is the purpose of that you are giving each variation a modern Indonesian name?

I am also a bit perplexed that you are using the general term "Parang Njaboer" for some of them. From where does this term come and what does it mean?

What is the difference in your chart between the "Parang Njaboer" and the "Baladaw Balabang", except dress materials and (mostly) age?

"Prior to c.1860, red-painted parang-njaboers ( Baladaw Balabang ) were worn by outer-perimeter palace-guards."

Could you please develop this interesting information - which palace, what source and why prior to 1860? Did they stop making them after c. 1860, so the scabbard is an exact age indicator?

Why haven't you included the Banjar Jenawi in this list (enclosed)?

Michael

Amuk Murugul · 15th November 2015, 04:21 AM

Hullo everybody!

Pedang Parang Lais (c1800):

LxOALxWxT=46x57x2.06x1.09cm.

Enjoy!

Best,

ariel · 15th November 2015, 01:31 PM

I might be missing a point, but what was the basis of such a classification?

Size? Handle? Contour of the point? Contour of the blade? Color of the scabbard?

What " differences in the basic shape " are important? Are we talking about real issues of construction or just about local monikers of the same sword?
I do love Parang Naburs and would love to really understand them.

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=nimcha

For example: would you refer to it as. Lais type?

Help me out.
Thanks.

25th October 2014, 07:34 PM	#1
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	PARANG NJABOER / NABUR ' Recognition Chart ' (ii) Basic types based on general overall appearance: Attached Images

25th October 2014, 07:35 PM	#2
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	NOTES Notes: - There is no standard for curvature or length. - Parang Njaboer Balanak, aka Parang Toeso'. - Parang Njaboer Lais, aka Parang Soedo'. - Parang Njaboer Pipih, aka Parang Patjat Gantoeng. - Such parangs generally aka Parang Pamangkas or Parang Kemoedi Singkir. - Prior to c.1860, red-painted parang-njaboers ( Baladaw Balabang ) were worn by outer-perimeter palace-guards. Best, Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 25th October 2014 at 07:43 PM. Reason: 'touch-up'

9th January 2015, 05:34 AM	#4
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	Brother-In-Arms Just for the sake of completeness: Pedang Salin Alai Waloet & Pedang Salin Alai Balanak respectively: Attached Images Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 9th January 2015 at 05:49 AM.

9th January 2015, 06:52 AM	#5
VVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Sweden Posts: 1,637	Amuk, It's interesting to see all slight variations of the same sword in one thread but what is the purpose of that you are giving each variation a modern Indonesian name? I am also a bit perplexed that you are using the general term "Parang Njaboer" for some of them. From where does this term come and what does it mean? What is the difference in your chart between the "Parang Njaboer" and the "Baladaw Balabang", except dress materials and (mostly) age? "Prior to c.1860, red-painted parang-njaboers ( Baladaw Balabang ) were worn by outer-perimeter palace-guards." Could you please develop this interesting information - which palace, what source and why prior to 1860? Did they stop making them after c. 1860, so the scabbard is an exact age indicator? Why haven't you included the Banjar Jenawi in this list (enclosed)? Michael Attached Images

15th November 2015, 04:21 AM	#6
Amuk Murugul Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kaboejoetan Galoenggoeng Mélben Posts: 472	A PRECURSOR ..... Hullo everybody! Pedang Parang Lais (c1800): LxOALxWxT=46x57x2.06x1.09cm. Enjoy! Best, Attached Images Last edited by Amuk Murugul; 15th November 2015 at 04:34 AM. Reason: added info

15th November 2015, 01:31 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I might be missing a point, but what was the basis of such a classification? Size? Handle? Contour of the point? Contour of the blade? Color of the scabbard? What " differences in the basic shape " are important? Are we talking about real issues of construction or just about local monikers of the same sword? I do love Parang Naburs and would love to really understand them. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ghlight=nimcha For example: would you refer to it as. Lais type? Help me out. Thanks. Last edited by ariel; 15th November 2015 at 01:47 PM.