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13th October 2014, 02:06 PM
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Kattaras (they call all curved swords; kattaras in Oman.)
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13th October 2014, 02:12 PM
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for the iron hilted saifs, I had doubts about one of the swords which had an Ethiopian blade. The patina and rust is even though, on the blade and the hilt and the owner commented that Ethiopian blades (I was surprised by his knowledge of the blades origin, where he spoke about an Armenian dealer importing it) were also used in Oman for a time longer than expected. Though I have also found many rehilts, including tulwar blades rehilted as kattaras but those are easy to tell apart.
I have also examined plenty of the new Omani stuff. A dancing sword with no silver sells from 8 riyals to 15 riyals. Which should be about 38 dollars. Its now sold online by a rather suspicious site for a wooping 1500$ dollars and offered as the authentic Omani arms. Disgraceful, really. |
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13th October 2014, 03:04 PM
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Salaams, This is my friends shop in the Muttrah Souk... Tariq. The blade is a probable rehilt. What they do is extend the tang and add a pommel. The hilt is then applied Omani Kattara style. Other than that I cannot and must not reveal the other secrets surrounding this sword and other Omani variants but once completed all shall be made clear. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
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13th October 2014, 03:13 PM
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13th October 2014, 03:45 PM
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I suppose the confusion is understandable in the blades ... This is largely connected to the truck loads of imported blades that came in from Ethiopia via Yemen ... My thread refers... but you must be aware that you were right there in the absolute pinnacle position standing staring right at the master forger... You couldnt get much closer... There you were talking to the man who since 1970 (and his Father) who are solely responsible for the incredible fiasco surrounding the entire game of hilt and rehilt, of import and export, of illusion and fact ... Thousands of blades have gone through that workshop and out into the world to the point that an entirely fictional weapon has surfaced... I think it is incredible, amazing and utterly unbelievable. The (almost) entire ethnographic fraternity has been ...tricked??...mislead? wrong footed? ... and you were standing in front of the mystro...and like many other ethnographic specialists you have been well and truly given the treatment... down to his private collection... He has some great weapons ...mostly rehilts and has even a few museum pieces... I mean ...rehilts in Museums.... So if he has fooled museums it is no wonder he has sold loads to others.... So now that you have seen the light.. I hope... do you see the truth....or not? Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. Last edited by Ibrahiim al Balooshi; 13th October 2014 at 03:59 PM. |
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13th October 2014, 04:08 PM
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And yes, you are probably related to the other 3 million baloushis all over the world. Tariq and I have spoken extensively about other sellers and he have guided me to different sellers in Nizwa, Fanja and other areas that were too distant for me to visit. I mentioned you and your hypothesis, it doesnt ring a bell to him. I told him about rehilts, he showed me some and the guy was decent enough to tell me about recently redressed swords even before I asked. Yet we have someone here selling an 40$ sword for 1500$ by using false information claiming others to be frauds. |
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13th October 2014, 04:37 PM
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Salaams ..With all due respect I think you should take breathing exercises to calm yourself down just a little... No one is saying you are a complete donkey for being fooled in a souk ... It happens to everyone... and no; Tariq is not my only source... and I dont know to whom you refer regarding sword prices which are in fact outside the domain of this forum as its commercial and I dont talk commercial because its against the rules as is flaming individuals and accusing folks of being liars... thus the suggestion to breath deeply...  It is actually quite an emotive subject though as adults on Forum I think we are capable of handling... I mean that this is a great and worthy subject and the item started by Kubur is a fine enough sword... Of course I am absolutely shocked that Tariq , master forger has admitted selling stuff to any Museum  ... You should spend some time in The Wallace !! Surely the whole entire point is that you have seen this master forgers work... You know he has been bashing this stuff out for 40 years yet you do not see the link... The swords with straight stiff blades on an Omani long conical flat hilt are forgeries...rehilted from a continuous supply of German / Ethiopian blades transitted from Ethiopia to Yemen and fitted up in Muscat...and sold through Muttrah Souk ... Admit it... Youve seen it... Now do the right thing and get on the team... They are forgeries... The whole dancer fighter joke has been played out before your very eyes... You have to admit you are mistaken.....No?  What is particularly interesting to me are the sword Talismanic marks and I would prefer to discus those than other aspects you have outlined... like the Omani Battle Swords which are on the wrong thread here... though interesting even if they are recent rehilts ...and with your permission I would like to place them onto The Old Omani Battle Sword thread where they would be more at home. My question was has the penny dropped ?...on the expert forgeries implanted onto world markets since 1970... or have I to go and get a statement of written fact signed by the Master Forger before it becomes believable? Surely not?... Most people would accept that since the world body on such swords is this Forum that I would automatically be given the nod on this situation regardless of the stiff competition among some quarters who simply will not accept the facts...Having said that...I greatly admire those opinions and have asked myself many times if I have been mistaken...? Having said that and with all due respect to this learned Forum I have to say that I am convinced I am right... but... the final (if there is such a beast) thrust has not yet been made ... and that you should watch this space... Forum will be delivered of this absolute scoop and amazing discovery in due course. Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi.
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13th October 2014, 04:50 PM
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