Any Amazon collectors?

Tim Simmons · 28th September 2014, 11:54 AM

Great adding to the thread. This has turned from a small inquiry into a massive thread.

My new club has arrived. Heavy for the size. The cotton decoration needed to be tidied up, very please with it.

On close inspection with a 10x loop the cotton binding originally filled the space between the handle binding with feathers and the other binding. There is the remains of a mastic that shows the imprint of the binding. This would cover a natural fissure in the wood, nothing to do with binding a broken club. The cotton is very thin and light weight.

Tim Simmons · 29th September 2014, 05:24 PM

The trouble with trying to restored lost cotton on these older Amazon clubs is getting a match. When you see hand spun cotton next to machine cotton, the difference is quite jarring to the eye. All my searches to buy handle spun cotton thread have been unsuccessful. All I can find is a sort of fancy art 'n' craft version

Tim Simmons · 3rd October 2014, 05:04 PM

Finally got the right kind of hand spun raw cotton. I had to unravel one ply from the yarn and then sort of re-spin the yarn between thumbs and fore fingers. The match is near perfect through 10x loop except the colour being newer. To give the whipping some resilience, I smothered mucilage glue all over. This would be much the same as the mastic originally used. Any Amazonian native would re-bind their club as and when needed.

Tim Simmons · 12th October 2014, 04:46 PM

This is where my latest example come from. My example is 4cm shorter.
http://americanindian.si.edu/searchc...id=Club&page=2

fireiceviper · 26th October 2014, 10:16 PM

I realy like it!

I was at a fair today (tribal art) and saw 4 war clubs from the amazon; 2 macana's and a long broad thatched one and a ceremonial one.

I was surprised nobody knew the other names for macana though (boutou, aputu or pootoo)

VANDOO · 11th December 2014, 02:33 AM

PICTURES #1 THRU #6 ARE OF TWO ITEMS A CEREMONIAL SPEAR/ CLUB USUALLY CARRIED BY THE CHIEF OR PRIEST OF THE TRIBE. AND A MORE TRADITIONAL FORM OF DOUBLE ENDED CEREMONIAL SPEAR. BOTH SPEARS AROUND 6 FEET LONG OF BLACK PALM WOOD ONE COATED IN VARNISH.
THE LARGEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE TRIBE ARE AROUND ALDEA BRAZIL. THE TRIBE IS POLITICALLY ACTIVE TODAY TRYING TO KEEP THEIR LANDS AND TO PROTECT THE TRIBE. PICTURES #7 THRU #12 TRIBAL OR SPIRITUAL LEADERS OR TUWE OF THE TRIBE ONE HOLDING A SPEAR /CLUB SIMILAR TO MINE. TRIBAL GROUPS WITH COMMON POLE CLUBS DURING A CEREMONIAL DANCE.

VANDOO · 11th December 2014, 03:44 AM

THE HUNI KUIN ALSO KNOWN AS KAXINAWA TRIBE WERE DISCOVERED IN 1948 AND THERE ARE AROUND 2500 IN THE TRIBE TODAY AND THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR CULTURE AND SPIRITUAL BELIEFS. MANY AMAZON TRIBES HAVE VANISHED OR LOST THEIR CULTURES IN THE AMAZON TUWE ALSO HELPS ORGANIZE AND PROTECT THEM THRU THE ASSOCIATION.
#1. PICTURE OF SPEAR HEAD. #2. MEETING OF ASSOCIATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WITH TUWE OF THE HUNI KUIN TRIBE AND DALI LAMA OF TIBET #3. CEREMONIAL DANCE AT VILLAGE.

12th October 2014, 04:46 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	This is where my latest example come from. My example is 4cm shorter. http://americanindian.si.edu/searchc...id=Club&page=2 Attached Images

26th October 2014, 10:16 PM	#5
fireiceviper Member Join Date: Jun 2014 Posts: 87	Nice! I realy like it! I was at a fair today (tribal art) and saw 4 war clubs from the amazon; 2 macana's and a long broad thatched one and a ceremonial one. I was surprised nobody knew the other names for macana though (boutou, aputu or pootoo)

28th September 2014, 11:54 AM	#1
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	Great adding to the thread. This has turned from a small inquiry into a massive thread. My new club has arrived. Heavy for the size. The cotton decoration needed to be tidied up, very please with it. On close inspection with a 10x loop the cotton binding originally filled the space between the handle binding with feathers and the other binding. There is the remains of a mastic that shows the imprint of the binding. This would cover a natural fissure in the wood, nothing to do with binding a broken club. The cotton is very thin and light weight. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 28th September 2014 at 05:26 PM.

29th September 2014, 05:24 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	The trouble with trying to restored lost cotton on these older Amazon clubs is getting a match. When you see hand spun cotton next to machine cotton, the difference is quite jarring to the eye. All my searches to buy handle spun cotton thread have been unsuccessful. All I can find is a sort of fancy art 'n' craft version

3rd October 2014, 05:04 PM	#3
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,890	Finally got the right kind of hand spun raw cotton. I had to unravel one ply from the yarn and then sort of re-spin the yarn between thumbs and fore fingers. The match is near perfect through 10x loop except the colour being newer. To give the whipping some resilience, I smothered mucilage glue all over. This would be much the same as the mastic originally used. Any Amazonian native would re-bind their club as and when needed. Attached Images Last edited by Tim Simmons; 3rd October 2014 at 05:16 PM.

11th December 2014, 02:33 AM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	Huni Kuin AKA. Kaxinawa tribe amazon Brazil & Peru PICTURES #1 THRU #6 ARE OF TWO ITEMS A CEREMONIAL SPEAR/ CLUB USUALLY CARRIED BY THE CHIEF OR PRIEST OF THE TRIBE. AND A MORE TRADITIONAL FORM OF DOUBLE ENDED CEREMONIAL SPEAR. BOTH SPEARS AROUND 6 FEET LONG OF BLACK PALM WOOD ONE COATED IN VARNISH. THE LARGEST NUMBER OF PEOPLE FROM THE TRIBE ARE AROUND ALDEA BRAZIL. THE TRIBE IS POLITICALLY ACTIVE TODAY TRYING TO KEEP THEIR LANDS AND TO PROTECT THE TRIBE. PICTURES #7 THRU #12 TRIBAL OR SPIRITUAL LEADERS OR TUWE OF THE TRIBE ONE HOLDING A SPEAR /CLUB SIMILAR TO MINE. TRIBAL GROUPS WITH COMMON POLE CLUBS DURING A CEREMONIAL DANCE. Attached Images

11th December 2014, 03:44 AM	#7
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THE HUNI KUIN ALSO KNOWN AS KAXINAWA TRIBE WERE DISCOVERED IN 1948 AND THERE ARE AROUND 2500 IN THE TRIBE TODAY AND THEY ARE TRYING TO KEEP THEIR CULTURE AND SPIRITUAL BELIEFS. MANY AMAZON TRIBES HAVE VANISHED OR LOST THEIR CULTURES IN THE AMAZON TUWE ALSO HELPS ORGANIZE AND PROTECT THEM THRU THE ASSOCIATION. #1. PICTURE OF SPEAR HEAD. #2. MEETING OF ASSOCIATION OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLE WITH TUWE OF THE HUNI KUIN TRIBE AND DALI LAMA OF TIBET #3. CEREMONIAL DANCE AT VILLAGE. Attached Images