Undefined matchlock barrel

fernando · 23rd August 2014, 10:28 PM

I don't discern any differences between this example and Indian Toradar barrels in general

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The problem with these is that they look like the same, either being early ones or from the 19th century. You have to know a lot about them to tell the difference.

Matchlock · 25th August 2014, 05:58 PM

Exactly, Nando,

And thank you so much for identiying that item!

It IS a barrel from an Indian Toradar, most probably coming from the arsenal of Rajpoot:
https://www.google.de/search?q=toradar&client=firefox-a&hs=S2d&rls=org.mozilla:defficial&channel=sb&so urce=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=yGD7U7-BLqSm0QWtr4H4AQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=666

For such a 19th c. Indian barrel used in an otherwise completely faked German haquebut alleged to be "ca. 1500", please see my thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=fake+wall

The bottom attachments illustrate an item from the collections of the Victoria&Albert Museum (V&A), London.

Best as ever,
Michl

Matchlock · 28th August 2014, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Matchlock

Exactly, Nando,

And thank you so much for identiying that item!

It IS a barrel from an Indian Toradar, most probably coming from the arsenal of Rajpoot:
https://www.google.de/search?q=toradar&client=firefox-a&hs=S2d&rls=org.mozilla:defficial&channel=sb&so urce=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=yGD7U7-BLqSm0QWtr4H4AQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=666

For such a 19th c. Indian barrel used in an otherwise completely faked German haquebut alleged to be "ca. 1500", please see my thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=fake+wall

The bottom attachments illustrate an item from the collections of the Victoria&Albert Museum (V&A), London.

Best as ever,
Michl

Sorry for mistyping; the correct term, of course, is Torador.

Please also note Czerjak's thread:
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=torador

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fernando · 28th August 2014, 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matchlock

... Sorry for mistyping; the correct term, of course, is Torador

Are you sure Michl ?
I had this fantasy that the spelling Torador is a corruption influenced by the term Toureador (bullfighter)

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Tirri spells Toradar, as also Stone and some museums out there, including the Australian Victoria and even the Met

25th August 2014, 05:58 PM	#2
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Exactly, Nando, And thank you so much for identiying that item! It IS a barrel from an Indian Toradar, most probably coming from the arsenal of Rajpoot: https://www.google.de/search?q=toradar&client=firefox-a&hs=S2d&rls=org.mozilla:defficial&channel=sb&so urce=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=yGD7U7-BLqSm0QWtr4H4AQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAg&biw=1280&bih=666 For such a 19th c. Indian barrel used in an otherwise completely faked German haquebut alleged to be "ca. 1500", please see my thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...ight=fake+wall The bottom attachments illustrate an item from the collections of the Victoria&Albert Museum (V&A), London. Best as ever, Michl Attached Images Last edited by Matchlock; 25th August 2014 at 06:22 PM.

23rd August 2014, 10:28 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I don't discern any differences between this example and Indian Toradar barrels in general . The problem with these is that they look like the same, either being early ones or from the 19th century. You have to know a lot about them to tell the difference.