Russian Guard axes - questions

Jens Nordlunde · 27th November 2005, 04:25 PM

Hello Wolviex,

Which museum in Moscow would have old weapons, are there an armoury museum in Kremlin?

When I had asked the question above, I remembered that I have a small booklet called ‘Repertory of Museums of Arms and Military History, Copenhagen 1960.

Centralnij Musej Sovetskoj Armij (Central Museum of the Soviet Army), Municipal Square 2, Moscow.

Oruzejnaja Palata (State Armoury), The Kremlin.

Gosudarstvennij Istoritjesti Musej (The State Museum of History), The Red Square, House No. 1-2.

I realise that some, if not all, the museums can have changed their name, but museums don’t often change address. I am sorry, but that is all I have.

Jens

Aqtai · 27th November 2005, 04:46 PM

They are very similar to Mamluk tabars.

wolviex · 27th November 2005, 05:52 PM

[QUOTE=Aqtai]They are very similar to Mamluk tabars.

Yes, and to those used in Persia. I think Russian ones were created because of Persian/Turkish influences, but it's pure conjecture at the moment.

Ariel, please PM the link to me

. I don't know if I can buy the book, but I suppose it's worth to take a look. Thanks!

ariel · 27th November 2005, 04:49 PM

There is a book on e-bay right now dealing with russian tsars arsenal. I cannot post it now but will do when the auction ends. There is a picture of the ax in question.

Jens Nordlunde · 27th November 2005, 05:26 PM

Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book

?

ariel · 27th November 2005, 11:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book

?

Stupid, I guess.....

Wolviex, you have a message!!!!!

wolviex · 28th November 2005, 06:50 PM

The book Ariel mentioned is beautiful indeed. There is a picture of an axe (my sketch of this axe below), but I wonder is it Guards axe, while in presentation text we can find information about "Ambassadorial Axe". But I believe it's a good hint anyway! On the picture we can see that axe is inlayed with gold wire, there is Russian two-headed eagle among the other plaits.

Regards!

Rivkin · 29th November 2005, 12:16 AM

These axes are very different from the ancient rus ones. Attached are status
(lords') axes of the northern areas.

Rivkin · 29th November 2005, 12:31 AM

I heard that A.V. Viskovatov "Histrocal description of cloth and arms of russian military" has some depictions of old Kremlin guard.

btw, could it be polish in origin? Seems these axes are more similar to the weapon of russian strelzy (Harcerzy): berdysz (I always thought its a polish word ?)

27th November 2005, 05:52 PM	#3
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	[QUOTE=Aqtai]They are very similar to Mamluk tabars. Yes, and to those used in Persia. I think Russian ones were created because of Persian/Turkish influences, but it's pure conjecture at the moment. Ariel, please PM the link to me . I don't know if I can buy the book, but I suppose it's worth to take a look. Thanks! Attached Images

27th November 2005, 05:26 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ariel, why don't you PM Wolveix wher to find it - he might even buy the book?

28th November 2005, 06:50 PM	#7
wolviex Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Poland, Krakow Posts: 418	The book Ariel mentioned is beautiful indeed. There is a picture of an axe (my sketch of this axe below), but I wonder is it Guards axe, while in presentation text we can find information about "Ambassadorial Axe". But I believe it's a good hint anyway! On the picture we can see that axe is inlayed with gold wire, there is Russian two-headed eagle among the other plaits. Regards! Attached Images

29th November 2005, 12:16 AM	#8
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	These axes are very different from the ancient rus ones. Attached are status (lords') axes of the northern areas. Attached Images

27th November 2005, 04:25 PM	#1
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Hello Wolviex, Which museum in Moscow would have old weapons, are there an armoury museum in Kremlin? When I had asked the question above, I remembered that I have a small booklet called ‘Repertory of Museums of Arms and Military History, Copenhagen 1960. Centralnij Musej Sovetskoj Armij (Central Museum of the Soviet Army), Municipal Square 2, Moscow. Oruzejnaja Palata (State Armoury), The Kremlin. Gosudarstvennij Istoritjesti Musej (The State Museum of History), The Red Square, House No. 1-2. I realise that some, if not all, the museums can have changed their name, but museums don’t often change address. I am sorry, but that is all I have. Jens

27th November 2005, 04:46 PM	#2
Aqtai Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Merseyside, UK Posts: 222	They are very similar to Mamluk tabars.

27th November 2005, 04:49 PM	#4
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There is a book on e-bay right now dealing with russian tsars arsenal. I cannot post it now but will do when the auction ends. There is a picture of the ax in question.

29th November 2005, 12:31 AM	#9
Rivkin Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 655	I heard that A.V. Viskovatov "Histrocal description of cloth and arms of russian military" has some depictions of old Kremlin guard. btw, could it be polish in origin? Seems these axes are more similar to the weapon of russian strelzy (Harcerzy): berdysz (I always thought its a polish word ?)