Turkish sword with European influence?

Rick · 23rd November 2005, 07:49 PM

Why then could this not be an early Italian sabre rather than an Italianate style Nimcha ?
I'm sure there's an obvious answer; but I'm missing it .

Tim Simmons · 23rd November 2005, 07:59 PM

I am not an expert on European swords but I am sure this is not Italian craftmanship from the 1600s especially the sword of a wealthy man. To me it is North African 1800s why it has the rapier basket I do not know, If you look closely you can see one of the quillions has been braised back on and rather crudely. Tim

ariel · 24th November 2005, 01:36 AM

I think it has an obviously North African blade. I have similar blades on Beduin and Nimcha swords.

ham · 24th November 2005, 07:03 AM

Jens,
There is also a possibility this is a Swiss saber which was regripped at some point in North Africa; it is compellingly similar to a number of published examples.

Sincerely,

Ham

Jens Nordlunde · 24th November 2005, 01:44 PM

Ham, I don’t know enough about European swords to be able to tell. How is the false edge on the Swiss swords you have seen illustrated?

Ariel, the blades on the Beduin and Nimcha swords you have, could they be trade blades?

Jens

ariel · 25th November 2005, 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Jens Nordlunde

Ham, I don’t know enough about European swords to be able to tell. How is the false edge on the Swiss swords you have seen illustrated?

Ariel, the blades on the Beduin and Nimcha swords you have, could they be trade blades?

Jens

Here they are. The Nimcha has an eyelash mark. They may be trade: far too uniform to derive from different localities.

ariel · 25th November 2005, 08:35 PM

And here are 2 European Nimchas: the French one taken from Elgood's book, the British (dated 1617) ftom North's book. Bad quality pics but they give the idea.

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ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	And here are 2 European Nimchas: the French one taken from Elgood's book, the British (dated 1617) ftom North's book. Bad quality pics but they give the idea. Attached Images

23rd November 2005, 07:49 PM	#1
Rick Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 6,339	Why then could this not be an early Italian sabre rather than an Italianate style Nimcha ? I'm sure there's an obvious answer; but I'm missing it .

23rd November 2005, 07:59 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,856	I am not an expert on European swords but I am sure this is not Italian craftmanship from the 1600s especially the sword of a wealthy man. To me it is North African 1800s why it has the rapier basket I do not know, If you look closely you can see one of the quillions has been braised back on and rather crudely. Tim

24th November 2005, 01:36 AM	#3
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I think it has an obviously North African blade. I have similar blades on Beduin and Nimcha swords.

24th November 2005, 07:03 AM	#4
ham Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 190	Jens, There is also a possibility this is a Swiss saber which was regripped at some point in North Africa; it is compellingly similar to a number of published examples. Sincerely, Ham

24th November 2005, 01:44 PM	#5
Jens Nordlunde Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Europe Posts: 2,718	Ham, I don’t know enough about European swords to be able to tell. How is the false edge on the Swiss swords you have seen illustrated? Ariel, the blades on the Beduin and Nimcha swords you have, could they be trade blades? Jens