Dagger

Mark · 21st November 2005, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robert Coleman

Vandoo and RhysMichael,
I don't really think this blade was ever a spear. The blade is not straight, it actually curves downward as it goes toward the point, though it is hard to see this in these pictures. I do believe like you that it has been rehilted at some point in time.

Robert

I was wondering about the curve. And are the two "halves" of the blade, on either side of the spine, of different widths or is that just the camera angle? Perhaps it was originally made as a dagger with a European cruciform mounting?

Robert · 21st November 2005, 02:14 AM

Mark,
The medial ridge is centered on the blade. If it was rehilted (like I think it could have been) I think the original hilt might possably have been a round horn grip with steel or brass ferrells and guard.

Lew · 21st November 2005, 08:15 AM

Hi Robert

I think your blade started out as a dagger I have seen this style on the ricasso before on an old dagger with a twin demon head hilt. Your piece seems to have been rehilted the wood and scabbard are too crude for such a fine quality blade. Still a very nice find!

Lew

Robert · 21st November 2005, 09:47 AM

Hi Lew,
You wouldn't happen to have a picture of the dagger that you were referring to would you?

Robert

Lew · 21st November 2005, 04:12 PM

The dagger in question belonged to Zelbone he may still have a picture of it.

Lew

tom hyle · 22nd November 2005, 02:04 AM

I noted the curvature with a bit of excitement, as it resembles that of a dagger I own (which is DE chisel bevelled/triangular cross-section, as you mention this one is not). I believe this to be a feature related to the curvature of gunongs and ultimately of kris.

Ian · 25th November 2005, 09:45 PM

The dress of this dagger, with its deity hilt and scabbard typical of the Visayas, suggest that this one comes from the central Philippines. While the deity hilt might indicate western Visayas, the scabbard is more reminiscent of the eastern Visayas. The blade style is definitely of western influence, probably Spanish.

Speaking of Zel's double-head hilted deity dagger, here is a link to a previous thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...tid=4950&stc=1
It is the dagger at the bottom. The ricasso looks quite similar to the example posted above.

21st November 2005, 04:12 PM	#5
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	The dagger in question belonged to Zelbone he may still have a picture of it. Lew Last edited by LOUIEBLADES; 21st November 2005 at 08:11 PM.

25th November 2005, 09:45 PM	#7
Ian Vikingsword Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Aussie Bush Posts: 4,522	A Visayan dagger with Spanish influence The dress of this dagger, with its deity hilt and scabbard typical of the Visayas, suggest that this one comes from the central Philippines. While the deity hilt might indicate western Visayas, the scabbard is more reminiscent of the eastern Visayas. The blade style is definitely of western influence, probably Spanish. Speaking of Zel's double-head hilted deity dagger, here is a link to a previous thread: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/attach...tid=4950&stc=1 It is the dagger at the bottom. The ricasso looks quite similar to the example posted above.

21st November 2005, 02:14 AM	#2
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Mark, The medial ridge is centered on the blade. If it was rehilted (like I think it could have been) I think the original hilt might possably have been a round horn grip with steel or brass ferrells and guard.

21st November 2005, 08:15 AM	#3
Lew (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: East Coast USA Posts: 3,191	Hi Robert I think your blade started out as a dagger I have seen this style on the ricasso before on an old dagger with a twin demon head hilt. Your piece seems to have been rehilted the wood and scabbard are too crude for such a fine quality blade. Still a very nice find! Lew

21st November 2005, 09:47 AM	#4
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hi Lew, You wouldn't happen to have a picture of the dagger that you were referring to would you? Robert

22nd November 2005, 02:04 AM	#6
tom hyle Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Houston, TX, USA Posts: 1,254	I noted the curvature with a bit of excitement, as it resembles that of a dagger I own (which is DE chisel bevelled/triangular cross-section, as you mention this one is not). I believe this to be a feature related to the curvature of gunongs and ultimately of kris.