Luzon bolo (itak?) for comment

Sajen · 3rd June 2014, 06:25 PM

No other comments?

Special I would like to know if I am correct that it is a Tagalog itak. And any thoughts about my theory that this thick rectangular ricassos a sign of older examples.

Battara · 3rd June 2014, 08:38 PM

Oh I would think that it is Tagalog based on the blade shape.

Sajen · 3rd June 2014, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

Oh I would think that it is Tagalog based on the blade shape.

Thank you very much for confirming my guess!

Do you would agree also about the ricasso, i.e. that this is only found by old blades?

Regards,
Detlef

Battara · 8th June 2014, 07:14 AM

I will hesitantly say yes, so far. However, I would need to look at some WWII examples to be sure.

Sajen · 8th June 2014, 09:45 AM

Thank you Jose. This one: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=itak Spunjer sold some time ago (nice one, see it to late and was sold already) is a later one, still have this form of ricasso but not distinct anymore.
I think that Robert have seen and handled much more Tagalog itak, would be interested what he think about this theory.

Regards,
Detlef

Robert · 8th June 2014, 09:29 PM

Hello Detlef, I was just getting ready to make a comment on your very nice new addition to your collection when I read your last remarks about the file work on the ricasso. I have to admit that I am a little hesitant to agree that this is only seen on older examples of these bolos as I have seen some that were purportedly of WWII manufacture with these markings as well as others supposedly brought back from the Spanish American and Moro wars that did not. What you suggest might very well prove to be true, but more examples that have verifiable provenance would be very helpful in proving your theory. I do however think that these marking were more prevalent on the older examples than on the later ones but as to why I cannot give you a definate answer. It could have been the extra cost to the owner, or that (like many other things) they just went out of style and slowly started to disappear altogether. Anyway, my congratulations to you on your new addition.

Best,
Robert

Sajen · 8th June 2014, 09:49 PM

Hello Robert,

thank you for comment!

Now, when you mentioned it, there are also older blades without this ricasso and file work.

So you are correct that this can't be a sign of age. BTW, there are also Visayan blades with similar worked ricasso.

Regards,
Detlef

3rd June 2014, 06:25 PM	#1
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,272	No other comments? Special I would like to know if I am correct that it is a Tagalog itak. And any thoughts about my theory that this thick rectangular ricassos a sign of older examples. Attached Images

3rd June 2014, 08:38 PM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	Oh I would think that it is Tagalog based on the blade shape.

8th June 2014, 07:14 AM	#4
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,310	I will hesitantly say yes, so far. However, I would need to look at some WWII examples to be sure.

8th June 2014, 09:45 AM	#5
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,272	Thank you Jose. This one: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...highlight=itak Spunjer sold some time ago (nice one, see it to late and was sold already) is a later one, still have this form of ricasso but not distinct anymore. I think that Robert have seen and handled much more Tagalog itak, would be interested what he think about this theory. Regards, Detlef

8th June 2014, 09:29 PM	#6
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Hello Detlef, I was just getting ready to make a comment on your very nice new addition to your collection when I read your last remarks about the file work on the ricasso. I have to admit that I am a little hesitant to agree that this is only seen on older examples of these bolos as I have seen some that were purportedly of WWII manufacture with these markings as well as others supposedly brought back from the Spanish American and Moro wars that did not. What you suggest might very well prove to be true, but more examples that have verifiable provenance would be very helpful in proving your theory. I do however think that these marking were more prevalent on the older examples than on the later ones but as to why I cannot give you a definate answer. It could have been the extra cost to the owner, or that (like many other things) they just went out of style and slowly started to disappear altogether. Anyway, my congratulations to you on your new addition. Best, Robert

8th June 2014, 09:49 PM	#7
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,272	Hello Robert, thank you for comment! Now, when you mentioned it, there are also older blades without this ricasso and file work. So you are correct that this can't be a sign of age. BTW, there are also Visayan blades with similar worked ricasso. Regards, Detlef