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Old 29th May 2014, 04:23 PM   #1
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Default Royal Khanjar Influence?

(Cautionary note; In researching the design features of the Habaabi Khanjar and the Muscat Khanjar something odd is discovered; The large silver buttons and split palmette flower shapes don't appear on Muscat hilts... but are apparent on many Royal Khanjar Hilts. This is recorded here and on The Omani Khanjar The significance is important since it could indicate that the Habaabi Hilt design features were copied from the Royal Omani Khanjar after all !)

Shown here below for perusal The Royal Omani Khanjar Hilt and the Habaabi Hilt ... Is there a connection? If so it would define an more exact date before which the Habaabi did not exist...between 1840 and 1850. Can this be true?

It may transpire that at the height of trade between Muscat and Zanzibar via the Asir port of Jazan...in about 1850...this dagger influenced the local style becoming part of its cultural mix...directly because of The Royal Khanjars appearance at that time...designed by Sheherazad...Amazing if true...!!!

It would explain the two split palmette inward pointing buttons and the large central hilt silver strap.

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Old 13th July 2014, 08:16 AM   #2
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Salaams All ~

I confirm that this style is Abha or as it is known in Oman, "Habaabi" (of Abha) and that the distinctive silver UUUUUU design is present in many of these weapons... just above the belt. I have noted that "Omani silver dot com" illustrates daggers from that region though the write up indicates Omani...which is an oversight by them...they aren't, but that daggers from Abha often have a flower tribe stamp...a flower on the reverse and many are engraved on the reverse or sometimes on the back of the Quba(crown) with either the owners or the makers name.

The pictures below illustrate the UUUUUUUU design and two from www.omanisilver.com show the floral stamp to the reverse...and just how close these items are to the Omani Royal Khanjar...The Saaidiyah style..because of the trade Muscat Asir Zanzibar at a high precisely when the Royal weapon was redesigned by Sheherezad in Muscat in about 1840..

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Default Term "Habaabi" clarification

For the benefit of "newbies" to this Forum, and to avoid further confusion, it should I think be noted here that the term "Habaabi" is used by Omanis to describe non Omani daggers. It is NOT a term, used for a specific style of jambiya.
This statement was made by Ibrahiim elsewhere in his posts.
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Old 14th July 2014, 07:05 AM   #4
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For the benefit of "newbies" to this Forum, and to avoid further confusion, it should I think be noted here that the term "Habaabi" is used by Omanis to describe non Omani daggers. It is NOT a term, used for a specific style of jambiya.
This statement was made by Ibrahiim elsewhere in his posts.



Salaams All, let me quote to you what I was told by a Yemeni just the other day...

Quote"These daggers are also called Habaabi in Yemen because as you can see when you strip the word down it becomes obvious that it means of Abha... or Abha region''. Unquote. (Abha being the capital of that region.)
I have to say I am not at all convinced but the chap may be right...he is a weapons sword and dagger dealer... It is such a closed region historically that very little detail is available. Should more evidence come about on the subject of terminology I will report it.

The pronunciation is interesting since it should actually be heard as Abhaabi but that is extremely difficult to say requiring a fully aspirated AH ...Habaabi is simply an easier pronunciation.

However khanjar 1 what is much more important to researchers is the essence of this weapon and how it developed and its obvious linkage to Omani daggers. http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14878

For the uninitiated the trade link by sea between Oman(Muscat) the Asir(Jazan)...and Zanzibar in the mid 19th C is KEY. At the mid point in the 19th C Oman embarked on huge development in Zanzibar at the very same time that the Royal Omani Khanjar was designed by the Rulers wife.


Wikipedia is not a bad place to start looking for Asir...and where the difficulties are outlined as ~

Quote" By 1920, however, 'Abd al-'Aziz, founder of Saudi Arabia, had begun to recoup the losses of the House of Sa'ud and to unify most of the Peninsula under his rule. As part of this campaign, he sent his young son Faisal - later king - with an expeditionary force to occupy 'Asir, and from then on 'Asir was controlled by the House of Sa'ud - a situation formalized in 1934 with the signing of the Treaty of Taif between Saudi Arabia and Yemen.

Even then the region was still largely unknown to the West. In 1932, H. St. John Philby, one of the first Europeans to explore and map the Peninsula, did enter 'Asir, but as he didn't publish his observations until 1952, the area remained one of the blank spots on the world's map." Unquote.

The main port is Jazan also noted well in Wikepedia and a key centre well placed over the centuries for regional trade..

The weapon is peculiar and has confounded experts and specialists down the ages...The prestigious www.omanisilver.com even has a handful of such daggers wrongly written up as Omani..such is its similarity to The Royal Omani Khanjar...invented or redesigned from the Muscat Dagger by Sheherazad in about 1840/50 with some flair added from Indian design in the Hilt. I stress that it was the hilt which she was responsible for..See The Omani Khanjar for further details.



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Old 14th July 2014, 02:51 PM   #5
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Oriental Arms has a couple of these that they categorize as Omani as well.

It seems all of these Habaabi khanjars are larger than mine. The "toe" of the scabbard is also pointing slightly upwards on these whereas mine's almost horizontal. They all also have the small "shield" thing on the bottom ring and mine doesn't, although it could have fallen off.
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Old 14th July 2014, 09:27 PM   #6
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Oriental Arms has a couple of these that they categorize as Omani as well.

It seems all of these Habaabi khanjars are larger than mine. The "toe" of the scabbard is also pointing slightly upwards on these whereas mine's almost horizontal. They all also have the small "shield" thing on the bottom ring and mine doesn't, although it could have fallen off.

Salaams blue lander, Yes a lot of people get these twisted up because they are so similar...Not all daggers are the same size and in this respect Habaabi can be quite small in some cases... and quite narrow in the body...compared with others. The small shield over the base ring is sometimes not present. Some variation also exists in the angle of tilt...I checked the website of Oriental Arms... Yes you are spot on and the offending weapon I looked at even has the flower insignia on the reverse...as well as the UUUUUUU design on the front and another give way is the floral decor on the crown(toe)...well spotted Sir !!
It may well be that they looked at Omanisilver dot com and took their cue from there...and their rendition being wrong perpetrated the error!

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There seems to be some confusion creeping in here.
In this thread http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=18700 you are saying that the UUUUUU is an indicator of being from Al Ahsa. Now you are saying that it is from Asir. The two regions are many miles part, and indeed are on opposite sides of Saudi Arabia!
I have no doubt that there are similarities between the two, but perhaps you could, for the benefit of those us who are still learning, explain how you have arrived at this conclusion.
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