Cretan Revolution Weapons 18th century

[Skarts_ss]

Yes thats correct i will post more photos
thank you

[Jim McDougall]

How regrettable that these intriguing and obviously well provenanced items from Crete brought no interest whatsoever!!!

I wanted to bump this thread in case anybody out there has interest in the weapons of Crete

First I would recommend most highly "The Arms of Greece and Her Balkan Neighbors" by Dr. Robert Elgood (2009), as these attractive arms are, like these beautiful Cretan pieces, fascinating.

On that note, also intriguing is the book "The Cretan Dagger" by Nikos Vasilatos, about these distinctive shape hilt daggers

There is so much proud history held in these arms, hopefully some comments on these might come in .

The two images are of one of the daggers and of the foukaria (=silver sheath) of another.

[kronckew]

more pics of the yataghan out of the scabbard please!

[David]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

How regrettable that these intriguing and obviously well provenanced items from Crete brought no interest whatsoever!!!

Perhaps that is because these items might be more properly placed in the European Forum…

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by David

Perhaps that is because these items might be more properly placed in the European Forum…

Really?????
Somehow (for the past 17+ years) the yataghans from the Balkans, Greece, Albania etc have been decidedly discussed here as ethnographic weapons. Have these regions now become part of Europe? I better check my latest National Geographic's!! The last I checked Crete was still in the proximity of Greece geographically .

[David]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

Really?????
Somehow (for the past 17+ years) the yataghans from the Balkans, Greece, Albania etc have been decidedly discussed here as ethnographic weapons. Have these regions now become part of Europe? I better check my latest National Geographic's!! The last I checked Crete was still in the proximity of Greece geographically .

That's all well and good Jim, but it doesn't seem, as you have so astutely pointed out, that anyone is discussing these particular weapons right here right now. So i was just a simple suggestion of how it might get more response and i am having some difficulty understanding your extreme and somewhat snarky reaction to it.
BTW, the last time I checked, both Greece AND Crete were indeed considered to be part of Europe.

[Jim McDougall]

Originally Posted by David

That's all well and good Jim, but it doesn't seem, as you have so astutely pointed out, that anyone is discussing these particular weapons right here right now. So i was just a simple suggestion of how it might get more response and i am having some difficulty understanding your extreme and somewhat snarky reaction to it.
BTW, the last time I checked, both Greece AND Crete were indeed considered to be part of Europe.

Oh...I guess I was having difficulty understanding your suggestion this was more 'properly' placed on the European forum, and of course I would never issue a 'snarky' remark to you!!!....I thought you were kidding

Interesting issue though, which weapons are 'ethnographic' and which are 'European'. While Greece and Crete are of course in the modern European Union, the extremely broadened classification of 'Europe' does bring a sort of paradox to defining these fields of study. Perhaps my own perception but I had not thought of the Balkans and Greece as part of Europe, but apparently that notion should be amended.

Hopefully these notes will help direct future queries and posts on yataghans more 'properly' to the European forum, but I think the ones from Turkey should remain on the ethnographic side.

[David]

Originally Posted by Jim McDougall

While Greece and Crete are of course in the modern European Union, the extremely broadened classification of 'Europe' does bring a sort of paradox to defining these fields of study. Perhaps my own perception but I had not thought of the Balkans and Greece as part of Europe, but apparently that notion should be amended.

I'm not going to press this issue as i don't really care where these weapons are discussed. Again, i was simply trying to offer an explanation for why this thread may not have received more attention. However, i must point out that the inclusion of Greece into Europe is not some modern convenience of the European Union. Greece has ALWAYS been part of Europe. In fact, the name itself is of Greek origin (Europa from Greek Mythogy.The story of her abduction by Zeus in the form of a white bull was a Cretan story.), first used in the 6th century BC by Greek geographers.

[fernando]

Originally Posted by David

Perhaps that is because these items might be more properly placed in the European Forum…

There has been a more evident one ... Mister moderator, sir
... but not yet contemplated . Can you apply your influence