Miqelet musket for ID

fernando · 13th April 2014, 04:48 PM

My guess is a Spanish trabuco (blunderbuss) converted from flintlock (patilla system) to percussion. Probably made end 18th / beg. 19th and converted around 1830, like many others.
Catalan type buttstock.

Hara_morin · 13th April 2014, 04:53 PM

thanks, fernando! what do you think about hook on the 3-d picture?

fernando · 13th April 2014, 05:53 PM

They often mount these belt hooks in blunderbusses; this one could be there since the beginning.

Fernando K · 13th April 2014, 11:05 PM

Hello:

In general, I agree with Fernando, I just think the lock is original, and not a conversion of a flint lock. Indeed, the area where the bread should be shown no drilling for bridge and insert the spring rake / frizzen). It would be nice photograph inside the lock.

Same for the barrel. The masacote where this fixed the fireplace is welded or bolted?

Affectionately Fernando K

(Sorry for the translation)

fernando · 14th April 2014, 04:30 PM

Fernando K is most certainly right. I didn't care for the missing hole of the pan & frizzen and only looked to the 'poor quality' of the percussion hammer.
Yes, it would be interesting to know whether the ignition plug is welded to barrel or screwed instead ... a sign of later addition for a conversion, right Fernando ?
In this case this trabuco would be of a more recent production, same as the percussion system was popularized ... around 1830

Fernando K · 14th April 2014, 08:18 PM

Hello, Fernando

certainly

Fernando K

Miqueleter · 18th April 2014, 10:46 AM

Hola, Fernandos
The "poor quality" hammer at least strikes the nipple and thus the cap squarely, not something many better (and modern) caplocks always get right. Given decent quality caps, I bet this beast never failed to fire. Nothing of great moment, it is just a quirk in my nature to notice hammer-to-nipple alignments. I get a little peeved when folks say the Spanish locks were "crude". Maybe so, but they worked reasonably well in "crude" places like the Americas and was adapted and adopted by that no small empire under the Ottomans thumb. Just saying...

13th April 2014, 04:48 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	My guess is a Spanish trabuco (blunderbuss) converted from flintlock (patilla system) to percussion. Probably made end 18th / beg. 19th and converted around 1830, like many others. Catalan type buttstock.

13th April 2014, 04:53 PM	#2
Hara_morin Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 53	thanks, fernando! what do you think about hook on the 3-d picture?

13th April 2014, 05:53 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	They often mount these belt hooks in blunderbusses; this one could be there since the beginning.

13th April 2014, 11:05 PM	#4
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello: In general, I agree with Fernando, I just think the lock is original, and not a conversion of a flint lock. Indeed, the area where the bread should be shown no drilling for bridge and insert the spring rake / frizzen). It would be nice photograph inside the lock. Same for the barrel. The masacote where this fixed the fireplace is welded or bolted? Affectionately Fernando K (Sorry for the translation)

14th April 2014, 04:30 PM	#5
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Fernando K is most certainly right. I didn't care for the missing hole of the pan & frizzen and only looked to the 'poor quality' of the percussion hammer. Yes, it would be interesting to know whether the ignition plug is welded to barrel or screwed instead ... a sign of later addition for a conversion, right Fernando ? In this case this trabuco would be of a more recent production, same as the percussion system was popularized ... around 1830

14th April 2014, 08:18 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 672	Hello, Fernando certainly Fernando K

18th April 2014, 10:46 AM	#7
Miqueleter Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 39	Hola, Fernandos The "poor quality" hammer at least strikes the nipple and thus the cap squarely, not something many better (and modern) caplocks always get right. Given decent quality caps, I bet this beast never failed to fire. Nothing of great moment, it is just a quirk in my nature to notice hammer-to-nipple alignments. I get a little peeved when folks say the Spanish locks were "crude". Maybe so, but they worked reasonably well in "crude" places like the Americas and was adapted and adopted by that no small empire under the Ottomans thumb. Just saying...