US Ban in Ivory - Not all bad news

[drac2k]

Thanks for posting the link;whereas it might "explain," the actions it does not justify them.What tribe does a Paleolithic or Neolithic point belong to ?

[Tim Simmons]

Soft targets are easy to hit, meek and in general law abiding. Actions like this miss the point. Just like most crime the real criminals ,big players, like tax dodgers ect still carry on making big gains. Like you take cash for a small job fixing somebodies dripping tap "occasionally but keep good books" where as Mr Big in the city hides away many thousands. Who are they going to give his collection back too????? do they have any real idea????

[spiral]

Originally Posted by drac2k

Thanks for posting the link;whereas it might "explain," the actions it does not justify them.What tribe does a Paleolithic or Neolithic point belong to ?

That's why I used the word explain, not justify.

In the UK most items belong to who owns the land its found on unless its Gold. Then the state can claim it & give you the amount they decide its worth. {usually a lot less than it would be on an open market.}

By the way, I have some mostly English Paleolithic,mesolithic & Neolithic artefacts myself.

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[drac2k]

As I duly noted.
Probably you don't have a big Jute or Pict lobby contesting ownership of those items. In this country we have many politically active Indian tribes who believe that anything pointy, knapped from stone belongs to them, even though it might have been there 10,000 years before they settled in the area.
Recently the treasure of a wrecked Spanish galleon, plundered from South America, found off the coast of North America, was taken from the salvage company who discovered it and returned to Spain by a U.S. court.

[spiral]

O dear, that sounds a silly as some of our court cases.... They don't give up anything of great value to other country's here though. {Unless theres an ulterior political motive of course.}

The one line information bulletins are fascinating, rather like newspaper headlines, I generally prefer more information before coming to a knee jerk, bandwagon jumping decision though.

Interestingly The currant land owners in the UK, were not the people who owned the land 2000 years ago even... {They were all Roman. }

But sadly for the last few hundred years possibly a thousand in some cases the same few families still own the majority of the land in the UK.

And there not descended from the stone age tribesmen who made them...{DNA shows them {The indiginous stone age peoples}. to be related to poorest local communities here still.}

For Instance...

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[Andrew]

No political commentary or I will close this thread, gentlemen. Thanks.

[spiral]

Apologies for stepping near the line without realising Andrew.

Back to the ivory laws & peoples fears...!

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[CharlesS]

I am sending Robert the latest news I could acquire on the new ivory bans, including CITIES and ESA language.

I am very disheartened by it all, for precisely the same reasons many of you have mentioned.

There are several blogs on the net that indicate there will be some push back on this and apparently there is an big meeting on the issues of the ban later in April with many detractors expected to be in attendance. Keep in mind we are only a small part of the collecting and antique community concerned. We ARE NOT ALONE!

I am assuming Robert will add the info onto the 'sticky' regarding the new ivory ban. The file will not attach here.