US Ban in Ivory - Not all bad news

Runjeet Singh · 28th March 2014, 04:30 PM

No offence taken David, I'm proud of my chosen profession!

As far as the new Ivory laws are concerned, I suppose 'the proof will be in the pudding' - does that translate to American (or the rest of the world)!!

Regards,
Runjeet

Battara · 3rd April 2014, 12:19 AM

After much consideration, I would suggest that American collectors and dealers contact their representatives and senators, even the president to make sure they at least hear our voice regarding the problem of "across state lines" issue and the problem of providing documentation for pre-ban ivory.

Outside of that, I completely agree with saving God's creatures and stopping the illegal ivory trade.

David · 3rd April 2014, 04:35 AM

That's not a bad idea José…and i think we all can agree that the senseless slaughter of elephants for their ivory needs to stop.

drac2k · 5th April 2014, 04:24 AM

The U.S. ban on ivory is only the first step;" Federal agents ,art experts, and museum curators," raided the home of a 91 year old collector in Indiana and seized the collection that he had acquired over 8 decades.The man has not been charged, but the "experts," are determining what items should be given back to the "Indian tribes, Russians, Chinese, Etc.."
Need I say more ?

spiral · 5th April 2014, 10:09 AM

Heres an article about it Drac2k... explains the recent background of the action taken against Amateur archaeologists/dealers/collectors of American cultural artefacts.

spiral

linky

drac2k · 5th April 2014, 11:31 AM

Thanks for posting the link;whereas it might "explain," the actions it does not justify them.What tribe does a Paleolithic or Neolithic point belong to ?

Tim Simmons · 5th April 2014, 01:17 PM

Soft targets are easy to hit, meek and in general law abiding. Actions like this miss the point. Just like most crime the real criminals ,big players, like tax dodgers ect still carry on making big gains. Like you take cash for a small job fixing somebodies dripping tap "occasionally but keep good books" where as Mr Big in the city hides away many thousands. Who are they going to give his collection back too????? do they have any real idea????

spiral · 5th April 2014, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drac2k

Thanks for posting the link;whereas it might "explain," the actions it does not justify them.What tribe does a Paleolithic or Neolithic point belong to ?

That's why I used the word explain, not justify.

In the UK most items belong to who owns the land its found on unless its Gold. Then the state can claim it & give you the amount they decide its worth. {usually a lot less than it would be on an open market.}

By the way, I have some mostly English Paleolithic,mesolithic & Neolithic artefacts myself.

Spiral

28th March 2014, 04:30 PM	#1
Runjeet Singh Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Warwickshire, England Posts: 150	No offence taken David, I'm proud of my chosen profession! As far as the new Ivory laws are concerned, I suppose 'the proof will be in the pudding' - does that translate to American (or the rest of the world)!! Regards, Runjeet

3rd April 2014, 12:19 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	After much consideration, I would suggest that American collectors and dealers contact their representatives and senators, even the president to make sure they at least hear our voice regarding the problem of "across state lines" issue and the problem of providing documentation for pre-ban ivory. Outside of that, I completely agree with saving God's creatures and stopping the illegal ivory trade.

3rd April 2014, 04:35 AM	#3
David Keris forum moderator Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nova Scotia Posts: 7,218	That's not a bad idea José…and i think we all can agree that the senseless slaughter of elephants for their ivory needs to stop.

5th April 2014, 04:24 AM	#4
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	The U.S. ban on ivory is only the first step;" Federal agents ,art experts, and museum curators," raided the home of a 91 year old collector in Indiana and seized the collection that he had acquired over 8 decades.The man has not been charged, but the "experts," are determining what items should be given back to the "Indian tribes, Russians, Chinese, Etc.." Need I say more ?

5th April 2014, 10:09 AM	#5
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	Heres an article about it Drac2k... explains the recent background of the action taken against Amateur archaeologists/dealers/collectors of American cultural artefacts. spiral linky

5th April 2014, 11:31 AM	#6
drac2k Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1,258	Thanks for posting the link;whereas it might "explain," the actions it does not justify them.What tribe does a Paleolithic or Neolithic point belong to ?

5th April 2014, 01:17 PM	#7
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Soft targets are easy to hit, meek and in general law abiding. Actions like this miss the point. Just like most crime the real criminals ,big players, like tax dodgers ect still carry on making big gains. Like you take cash for a small job fixing somebodies dripping tap "occasionally but keep good books" where as Mr Big in the city hides away many thousands. Who are they going to give his collection back too????? do they have any real idea????