dagger series nr4 THE BALLOCK

[junker]

Hi,

the grip shoud be the original but it is to much restored.
Thanks for your picture with the grip and sun.
Is it also from the netherlands ?

Dirk

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by junker

Hi,

the grip shoud be the original but it is to much restored.
Thanks for your picture with the grip and sun.
Is it also from the netherlands ?

Dirk

Hi Dirk,

yes found in the Netherlands, exact location is unknown to me.

The reason I think the grip is redone is because all ballock daggers have a grip made ​​outof one piece of wood.
when you see the grain at your dagger, the protrusions are glued to the handle.
further, the protrusions are not ball-shaped and the recess in the brass parry rod does not fit exactly appropriate the wooden grip between the balls. at your dagger the recess is smaller.
please compare other Ballock daggers for this.


The wood used here is also unusual for a ballock.

best,
Jasper

[Harry Marinakis]

Please, more information about the blade shape shown with the first 3 daggers shown. Thank you.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

The article at http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_bd.html is well worth viewing...

Meanwhile three pictures illustrating medieval art which includes bollock or ballack daggers...or variants.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

and I thought to include a few more...The first picture shows a set of differing styles for comparison...Of special interest is the fragmentary set of Bollock daggers from the Mary Rose, and the amazing stone relief showing the knight with his hand on dagger.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

More Bollocks....

It can be seen that the Ballock dagger gave rise to the Scottish Dirk as worn in the portrait by Painting below of George Gordon, 5th Duke of Gordon (1770–1836) in highland dress. The two lower pictures show Dirk development in the sketch and the photo shows Dirks....

Please see my main reference on this subject at ~ http://www.myarmoury.com/feature_spot_dirks.html for an excellent review of Ballock and Dirk daggers.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Clearly the Ballock Dagger was very popular..

[RobertGuy]

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[fernando]

Originally Posted by RobertGuy

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Michael is not with us any longer, to answer your question, Robert; he has passed away last July. Just don't let that statement worry you.

[cornelistromp]

for few other types please see;

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=dagger+series

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...hlight=gryphon

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...t=dagger+river

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=dagger+series


and


http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...=dagger+series

and

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=19167


best,
jasper

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

Salaams, cornelistromp ...It is a pleasure to see what is probably the finest research resource for these weapons ... our own library. Thank you cornelistromp ... I actually sourced your second reference "jade quillons" when I was looking at another form from another location where they claimed it was Persian...

What I find most interesting is how these stiletto blades adopted or morphed in tandem with fashion changes across Europe not only in Rondel form etc but onward and into the design of the later Scottish Dirk.

Regards,
Ibrahiim al Balooshi.

[Lee]

Originally Posted by RobertGuy

I'm sorry I don't understand this statement. Are you claiming ownership of all photos posted here whoever posts them unless they specifically claim copyright?

The site policy is stated at the bottom of every forum page: "Posts are regarded as being copyrighted by their authors and the act of posting material is deemed to be a granting of an irrevocable nonexclusive license for display here."

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Matchlock came under intense pressures owing to a disastrous sequence of events of failing health leading to his unfortunate and early demise and the content of some of his posts during this tragic downward spiral likely reflect pharmaceutical side effects.

[cornelistromp]

two ground finds from the Netherlands of this type

[Ibrahiim al Balooshi]

How about a drawer full... like this...

[cornelistromp]

Originally Posted by Ibrahiim al Balooshi

How about a drawer full... like this...

@ Ibrahiim
would you please when you post an image specify the source and content.
This often says much more than the image alone.
thus etching and drawing when, where and by whom. Bottom find the site,(tomb) effigy the person and place and so on.

these english ballock dagger grip artifacts are discovered in 1971 in the mary rose warship wreck. they are of a different type as the continental daggers under #1 and also of a later date; first half of he 16thC.
They have a simpler blade geometry, 3 planes.

this type has more the shape and appearance of a phallus than its predecessor, the type was also popular in the Low Countries.
See an archaeological discovery from Netherlands, Dronten, Flevoland 1971

In General hard burl wood remains remarkably well preserved in the soil and water, fe all three daggers in post # 1 are finds from Netherlands.

the wooden grip still has the smell of cigar boxes after 600 years.

best,