S.E.A? sword

[Sajen]

Yes, it's a pade. Michael, I see lamination near the handle at the last picture of post #1? But Dave will be able to confirm or negate it.
Semarang is a different sword to my knowledge, see here: http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...light=semarang
Dave, you a have a rare sword but a simple execution, a collector friend have a very similar one. This one have lamination for sure.
A pade don't have a scabbard!
I have some more pade in the meanwhile like shown in the thread Michael have posted, when I have time I will show them side by side in this thread.

Regards,
Detlef

[kai]

Hello Dave,

I'm with Detlef, your's is definitely laminated - old blade.

Any old patching at the flat pommel side? I'm curious wether this really is a simple hilt style or just got shortened during its service time...

Regards,
Kai

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by kai

Any old patching at the flat pommel side? I'm curious wether this really is a simple hilt style or just got shortened during its service time...

Hello Kai,

I had a similar pade like Dave's. Looking at the blade (which is a bit more simple as the pade blades from Celebes) I would guess there is a good possibility that Dave's indeed is a mollucan sword instead of a Celebes sword.
These also had more simple handles IMO, like the one I once owned.
Mine was definately made like that, and not shortened.

Regards,
Maurice

[CharlesS]

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

[DaveS]

I hadn't really noticed until last night that there were laminations near the handle. Usually that's the first thing that I look for but this time I must have overlooked them. There is no indication that the handle was ever shortened......Dave.

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

Wow Charles, two beautiful examples!

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by CharlesS

Here are two more examples, just for comparison. One has a quite unique hand guard made from horn added on to the hilt and attached with woven rattan. It likely had an additional pommel that is missing.

Nice examples Charles!
I think these are the Celebes types.

Kind regards,
Maurice

[Sajen]

Hello, here my honest collection of pade, the second one from up is for sure from Ceram, so I doubt that we can give a clear indication of the origin from the form of the handle.

The first one I have get from Arjan and when I remember correct he have had the opinion that this one is from Ceram as well.

The second one I have bought from a netherland friend and he get it on Ceram from the family of his wife.

The third one I get via ebay from Royston and I don't know something more about this one, maybe Royston can tell more?

The last one I get from Willem and here I also don't know more, maybe Willem?

Regards,

Detlef

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hello, here my honest collection of pade, the second one from up is for sure from Ceram, so I doubt that we can give a clear indication of the origin from the form of the handle.

I agree but not fully. I think the handles could be from Celebes or the Moluccas, but the more plain ones like Daves and the one I owned, possibly are from the Moluccan.

Also the pade you bought from Willem has a better blade as the others, which also indicates (IMO) that the last one is from Celebes. The other three blades are much more simple forged as the last one you have.

Nice collection of pades by the way!

At the other hand it would be hard to place them to a certain region, as it's the Celebes or Moluccan Alfur's who used them.


Maurice

[Sajen]

Originally Posted by Maurice

Hello Kai,

I had a similar pade like Dave's. Looking at the blade (which is a bit more simple as the pade blades from Celebes) I would guess there is a good possibility that Dave's indeed is a mollucan sword instead of a Celebes sword.
These also had more simple handles IMO, like the one I once owned.
Mine was definately made like that, and not shortened.

Regards,
Maurice

Hi Maurice,

this is the one which is now in possession of my friend!

Regards,
Detlef

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Sajen

Hi Maurice,

this is the one which is now in possession of my friend!

Regards,
Detlef

Hi Detlef,

Yes I remember. :-)

Kind regards,
Maurice