|
|
|
19th January 2014, 03:27 PM
|
#1 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cairo, Egypt.
Posts: 142
|
Quote:
I've found a few Arab swords dating back to the 12th-15th centuries CE (according to the data provided by the Museum). Here's the link: http://www.mia.org.qa/en/collections/search-collections It seems that this museum really has some serious stuff! Best regards, Ahmed Helal Hussein |
|
|
|
|
19th January 2014, 04:30 PM
|
#2 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
Quote:
Salaams Ahmed, Yes they have some top quality exhibits, however, I think what is shown in your link is the same as their big format catalogue which I have at home so I will check later...Perhaps they have a lot of work still being restored... in their vaults... Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. |
|
|
|
|
|
19th January 2014, 06:22 PM
|
#3 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cairo, Egypt.
Posts: 142
|
Quote:
Thank you very much for this very important information. The more swords there are, the better! Best regards, Ahmed Helal Hussein |
|
|
|
|
|
19th February 2014, 05:42 PM
|
#4 |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cairo, Egypt.
Posts: 142
|
Salaams all!
It seems that, in this site, there's little to no interest in the early medieval Arab swords. It's quite clear that the real interest is in more recent swords and other edged weapons that could be owned privately. I understand this well. Nonetheless, if anyone is interested in information regarding swords or other weapons that date back to the early centuries of Islam, I'd be more than happy to send my help. Best wishes to all! -Ahmed Helal Hussein- |
|
|
|
|
20th February 2014, 02:12 PM
|
#5 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Buraimi Oman, on the border with the UAE
Posts: 4,408
|
Quote:
 This is an ultra specialized subject Ahmed and we are lucky to have your input on this hugely important Iconic weapon... of equal importance to say the Sword Excalibur in Western parlance and utterly vital in Eastern terms being of such provenance. As you know I am of the opinion that this is a classic and I feel certain it will be admitted to that hall of fame soon... I would ask you for some pictures so that they can also speak volumes for your thesis and so that members and others can see at a glance what is staring up at them ... This subject is not only of vital importance from the Islamic viewpoint but across the frontiers of sword research ... and such is its importance that the Topkapi will have to make a special room for it if they have not already done so!! Regards, Ibrahiim al Balooshi. 
|
|
|
|
|
|
20th February 2014, 07:11 PM
|
#6 |
|
(deceased)
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: OKLAHOMA, USA
Posts: 3,138
|
ITS NOT A LACK OF INTREST IN THESE SWORDS. ITS JUST THAT MOST OF US HAVE NO KNOWLEGE IN THE FIELD AND CAN ONLY FOLLOW IT SO FAR AND CONTRIBUTE LITTLE.
ALL POSTS COME TO A POINT WHERE EVERYTHING KNOWN HAS BEEN SAID AND THEY DRY UP. THE BEAUTY OF THE FORUM IS THE TOPIC IS PRESERVED AND CAN BE REFRENCED BY NEW PEOPLE AND WHEN NEW INFORMATION BECOMES AVAILABLE THE TOPIC CAN REOPEN AND NEW INFORMATION BE ADDED. WE ALL HATE TO SEE A TOPIC WE FEEL STRONGLY ABOUT CLOSE BUT ITS NOT THE END ITS JUST A PAUSE TO REGROUP AND FIND NEW IDEAS AND INFORMATION. 
|
|
|
|
|
21st February 2014, 07:08 AM
|
#7 |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cairo, Egypt.
Posts: 142
|
Salaams to Ibrahiim, Vandoo, and to all!
I did not mean "Dhu'l-Faqar" in particular. I meant ALL ARAB SWORDS dating back to the early centuries of Islam. As I've said in the introduction of my composition regarding "Dhu'l-Faqar", I have given almost equal care and study for ALL the Arab swords that refer to the period 600 to 1258 CE. Ibrahiim, thanks a lot for your very kind and encouraging words. But you have to understand that I'm relatively new to this forum, and I would feel as an intruder if I kept on making new threads. I would've wished that you, Iain, or any member here with very good knowledge on Arab swords to start new threads regarding that. This is why I've decided to wait for that, but unfortunately, nothing popped out till now; except for your great composition(s) regarding the Omani Battle Sword; although there aren't examples that date to the above-mentioned date (600- 1258 CE). Had it never occurred that someone would come out with a new thread like: "Comparison between European and Islamic swords during the Crusades" or "The swords and armour of the warriors of the Umayyad and Abbasid Caliphates" or anything of that sort? I would very much like to hear your opinions...all of you. I would be glad if you came up with new ideas. Frankly, I believe that most -if not all- of you have new ideas regarding these topics. That said, I find myself completely at the disposal of this great forum, and all its great members. Best regards to all, Ahmed Helal Hussein |
|
|
|
|
21st February 2014, 02:16 PM
|
#8 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin
Posts: 163
|
Quote:
I am very interested in early swords of all locations. However the information I wish to know has not been gathered. The "nuts and bolts" of swords is the steel...and we have scant few analysis of the steels in these blades...and I fear we never will. Ric |
|
|
|
|
|
21st February 2014, 02:46 PM
|
#9 | |
|
Arms Historian
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Route 66
Posts: 10,281
|
Quote:
Ric I just noticed your post, and of course it is well established that your field is metallurgy , which has always been far beyond my own understanding. With your expertise in this topic, you would be the exact person to address this aspect of swords, and in threads focused on specific instances. There have been many studies made scientifically on blades (several early Islamic blades if I recall were actually sacrificed to this end), and the work of Dr. Ann Fuerbach has been phenomenal. Others such as Panseri, Figiel and numerous other works have well touched on many aspects, but as we have noted, there is far more to be done. As noted in my post to Ahmed, these thesis' and titles are on topics which need to be addressed, and these are discussion forums which are the exact venue where this can be done. All the best, Jim |
|
|
|
|
|
21st February 2014, 07:44 PM
|
#10 | |
|
Member
Join Date: Nov 2013
Location: Cairo, Egypt.
Posts: 142
|
Quote:
Thank you very much for your reply. I really understand how you feel, but I also feel handicapped to fulfill your desire for analyzing these swords; or even reading about earlier analysis of such valuable sword-blades. I'm sorry, but you know that this is almost impossible to happen. One question, Sir: Have you ever analyzed a blade of a European medieval sword before? If yes, what did it take to do it? I mean: Did you completely destroy the sword-blade for analysis, or took a small piece of the blade, or what? Please explain, Sir. Waiting anxiously for your reply, Ric! As ever, Ahmed Helal Hussein |
|
|
|
|
|
22nd February 2014, 12:44 AM
|
#11 |
|
Member
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin
Posts: 163
|
There are hundreds of metallurgical analysis of medieval and earlier European blades and dozens of chemical analysis...many published in various articles in "Gladius".
In general a small slice is taken from the blade (a triangle cut from edge to center not all the way across) and this is cold mounted in resin and polished then etched and photographed under the microscope. Pieces can also be spectrographed for chemistry. Neither is all that hard to do well, but there is a procedure. Such can be done from poor examples of good provenance...many museums have such pieces which are not good enough to display and some even just sit and rust away on a shelf as conservation funds are low. Once enough body of information is amassed one can make assumptions as to what is of a certain time and place. It makes fakes that much more difficult to pass as originals. I suggest the work of Drs. Alan Williams and David Edge of The Wallace. As well as Drs. Janet Lang, Paul Craddock and Barry Ager of the British Museum. The Royal Armouries did some good work till they sacked the dept. These are only a few British researchers..there have counterparts all over Europe. Ric |
|
|
|
 |
|
|
Hybrid Mode
