Excellent kukri with, dare I say, a wootz blade

russel · 4th December 2013, 12:20 AM

youngbladerunner: While superficially similar, this isn't a kukri. It is (IMHO) an extremely good yataghan or, as mentioned above, Sossun Pata. Congratulations, it is truly beautiful!

Cheers - Russel

Battara · 4th December 2013, 04:02 AM

Youngblood, perhaps it would be helpful if you would post larger pictures of your piece with measurements. I disagree with Russel, but he may be right. I feel that what I am suggesting would help us settle the issue.

Robert, the pictures that you posted are in fact the same kukri. I have held this in my hands.

Gavin Nugent · 4th December 2013, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by russel

youngbladerunner: While superficially similar, this isn't a kukri. It is (IMHO) an extremely good yataghan or, as mentioned above, Sossun Pata. Congratulations, it is truly beautiful!

Cheers - Russel

I too wouldn't call it a Kukri but more a Kukri Hybrid as there are a couple of Kukri elements. What it lacks to be a proper Kukri is the Cho/Kaudi.

Of particular interest is the fine multi fuller arrangement along the spine. They are very nice. Something seen on higher end Rajasthan Sosun Patta.

I'd place it in the Northern Sindh areas at a glance with the blade perhaps from further East.

Gavin

youngbladerunner · 4th December 2013, 10:48 AM

Thanks for the info guys. From the tip to the bolster is 16 inches and overall length in 21.5 inches.

Richard Furrer · 4th December 2013, 03:09 PM

I would say wootz yes.
Could the blade have been altered from original? It may have been a sossun-patta at one time and then altered.

Good piece indeed regardless.

Ric

Emanuel · 6th December 2013, 12:59 AM

Hello,

The handle construction seems to be of Bukharan style no? (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14093)

Emanuel

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Originally Posted by youngbladerunner

Thanks for the info guys. From the tip to the bolster is 16 inches and overall length in 21.5 inches.

Battara · 6th December 2013, 04:03 AM

I don't know......it could be a little lower south, like say north India? The blade style I have seen from there. The handle - reminds me somewhat like a khanjarli from the side view (as I now think of it).......

Gavin Nugent · 6th December 2013, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Emanuel

Hello,

The handle construction seems to be of Bukharan style no? (http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=14093)

Emanuel

Quote:

Originally Posted by Battara

I don't know......it could be a little lower south, like say north India? The blade style I have seen from there. The handle - reminds me somewhat like a khanjarli from the side view (as I now think of it).......

Personally I see the handle as the hybrid aspect. The grip ring is that of one present on a Kukri and in about the same place and the protruding ears is more like the longer Afghan/Sindh swords but the presence of the grip strap is in line with North west India, Bukhara and other regions further removed.

Gavin

Battara · 4th December 2013, 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SwordsAntiqueWeapons

I too wouldn't call it a Kukri but more a Kukri Hybrid as there are a couple of Kukri elements. What it lacks to be a proper Kukri is the Cho/Kaudi.

I do see your point with the larger pictures - no cho.

Not sure what to do with it. Nice in any case.

russel · 5th December 2013, 07:21 AM

It may well be some form of hybrid. The lack of Cho wasn't my only reason to doubt it being a Kukri, occasionally one finds Kukri without a Cho (I don't have one but I have seen images of very old Kukri without a Cho). What got me was the form of the hilt. It seems very much like a Balkan Yataghan.

Spiral or one of the other IKRHS guys would be able to make a better judgement that me.

Whatever it is, it's beautiful!

Russel

spiral · 5th December 2013, 09:29 AM

To me its not a kukri although it has some similarities, To me Id say its more of an Indian or Afghan yataghan.

Interesting piece though!

Spiral

Oriental-Arms · 5th December 2013, 11:30 AM

I probably missed this thread when originally posted and seen it only now.
I have encountered several good Khukuri with wootz blade. I managed to pull out from our archive two examples with close ups on the blades:

Battara · 6th December 2013, 12:31 AM

I guess this begs the question: does the hilt style and lack of cho make this piece in question other than a kukri?

ariel · 7th December 2013, 02:57 PM

I was intrigued by the argument about definitions: kukri or sosun pata. AFAIK, kukri ( or proto-kukri) was brought to Nepal by the Rajputs who had sosun patas galore.

Both are just Kopis-type blades. Perhaps, kukri in its classical form was just adapted to the landscape and the size of the inhabitants?

Here is something I wanted to ask your question about: would you define it as a kukri or as sosun pata? It ain't no Afghanistan or India, for sure:-)

4th December 2013, 12:20 AM	#1
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	youngbladerunner: While superficially similar, this isn't a kukri. It is (IMHO) an extremely good yataghan or, as mentioned above, Sossun Pata. Congratulations, it is truly beautiful! Cheers - Russel Last edited by russel; 4th December 2013 at 12:41 AM. Reason: Clarification

4th December 2013, 10:48 AM	#4
youngbladerunner Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 10	Thanks for the info guys. From the tip to the bolster is 16 inches and overall length in 21.5 inches. Attached Images

5th December 2013, 11:30 AM	#12
Oriental-Arms Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Haifa, Israel Posts: 183	I probably missed this thread when originally posted and seen it only now. I have encountered several good Khukuri with wootz blade. I managed to pull out from our archive two examples with close ups on the blades: Attached Images

7th December 2013, 02:57 PM	#14
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	I was intrigued by the argument about definitions: kukri or sosun pata. AFAIK, kukri ( or proto-kukri) was brought to Nepal by the Rajputs who had sosun patas galore. Both are just Kopis-type blades. Perhaps, kukri in its classical form was just adapted to the landscape and the size of the inhabitants? Here is something I wanted to ask your question about: would you define it as a kukri or as sosun pata? It ain't no Afghanistan or India, for sure:-) Attached Images

4th December 2013, 04:02 AM	#2
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	Youngblood, perhaps it would be helpful if you would post larger pictures of your piece with measurements. I disagree with Russel, but he may be right. I feel that what I am suggesting would help us settle the issue. Robert, the pictures that you posted are in fact the same kukri. I have held this in my hands.

4th December 2013, 03:09 PM	#5
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	I would say wootz yes. Could the blade have been altered from original? It may have been a sossun-patta at one time and then altered. Good piece indeed regardless. Ric

6th December 2013, 04:03 AM	#7
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I don't know......it could be a little lower south, like say north India? The blade style I have seen from there. The handle - reminds me somewhat like a khanjarli from the side view (as I now think of it).......

5th December 2013, 07:21 AM	#10
russel Member Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 236	It may well be some form of hybrid. The lack of Cho wasn't my only reason to doubt it being a Kukri, occasionally one finds Kukri without a Cho (I don't have one but I have seen images of very old Kukri without a Cho). What got me was the form of the hilt. It seems very much like a Balkan Yataghan. Spiral or one of the other IKRHS guys would be able to make a better judgement that me. Whatever it is, it's beautiful! Russel

5th December 2013, 09:29 AM	#11
spiral Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,712	To me its not a kukri although it has some similarities, To me Id say its more of an Indian or Afghan yataghan. Interesting piece though! Spiral

6th December 2013, 12:31 AM	#13
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	I guess this begs the question: does the hilt style and lack of cho make this piece in question other than a kukri?