Breech loading 1450-1550

Matchlock · 19th November 2013, 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CutlassCollector

A bit further down it says Antique and along side it - Yes.

It is listed in the Antiques section - so buyer beware I guess.
I don't know about anyone else but if I was buying an antique cutlass I'd be a little upset to find it had been made last week!

CC

Absolutely: buyer beware!

Thanks anyway,
and best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 25th November 2013, 03:21 PM

I apologise for this mistake, i usually only sell antiques so i probably put this pistol in antique by mistake

I was a bit upset after your words Michael, but i do understand your point. I must admit that the decorations have gone a bit out of control, my first drawing was that of a saxony pistol, similair to those used by the electoral guards of augustus the first etc. Bolek liked this project so much he persuaded me to change the design to something he thought to be a representation of the early 16th century. I do like the design still, but i must admit that this piece is nothing like a real 16th century design. The mechanism however does work flawlesly (it trows a lot of sparks and fires like it should). Most other self spanning wheel locks don't have a large enough rotation to trow sufficient sparks, making them more a decorative piece than a ussuable piece (this is what i learned, but i don't have a library of 3000 books sadly hahaha

)

I do like to keep you as a friend (

) so i placed some other threads with my personal collection below.
I hope you will enjoy them better than the pistol

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17753
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17763
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17547
http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17548

Matchlock · 5th December 2013, 11:22 AM

As our forum can need each and every bit of merchandising, I linked posts #115ff. above to ForgottenWeapons.com, in relation to that ca. 1540 Rotunda breechloading wheellock arquebus I posted here.

Michael
December 5, 2013 at 2:50 am · Reply

http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...h+loading+1540

Please see the thread linked here, especially posts #115ff, where I posted, along with two more guns by the same maker, your ca. 1540 breechloading Augsburg wheellock arquebus.

The makers mark, a double-struck falchion flanked by two stars, for Christoph Arnold of Augsburg, appears also on the breech of the finely preserved Berlin arquebus, which additionally bears the date 1540 on both the barrel and the underside of the stock.

And please tell that guy Iain, who presented the gun in the video, that he was telling some rubbish when stating that the wheel was missing, etc.

Best,
Michael

Marcus den toom · 5th December 2013, 06:08 PM

The item i was talking about in a other thread, my own wheel lock breech loading chamber with pan and pancover.
Also the rifle it belonged to, alas i didn't have 40K in my pocket at the time to buy it

The decoration is the same.

Matchlock · 5th December 2013, 06:27 PM

Would you please care to give all the exact bibliographic details concerning the book you scanned from? (author, exact title, year of publication, ISBN ...).
Thanks.

Btw, the author's dating of the gun ('2nd half 16th c.') is 100 years out of reality; the piece was made in about 1665-80, which means 2nd half 17th c.. Who is this guy anyway juggling with 100 years as if they were rubber balls?

Best,
m

Marcus den toom · 5th December 2013, 07:23 PM

The book is actually a auction cattalogue

Czerny's, october 24th&25th 2009 page 566-567

My thoughts exactly, but sadly most auction houses don't have a "Michael" on there payroll

Matchlock · 5th December 2013, 09:34 PM

Thanks a lot, Marcus, for that superb compliment!

Reality though is as sad as it is true: sales people do not want mercilessly honest, dedicated and competent 'cranks' like me. What they want, and pay for, are their own spectacular descriptions that hopefully (in their view) just do one thing: sell ...

For more than 30 years I have commented on pieces from my range of competence to all the big international auction houses as soon as their latest catalogs have been out. The only ones to ever thank me and include my comments in discussions with possible buyers during visiting hours are - the three London houses Bonhams, Christie's and Tom De Mar (in alphabetical order). So they, in my personal private view, are the most honest ones. They at least try ...

Best,
Michael

25th November 2013, 03:21 PM	#2
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	I apologise for this mistake, i usually only sell antiques so i probably put this pistol in antique by mistake I was a bit upset after your words Michael, but i do understand your point. I must admit that the decorations have gone a bit out of control, my first drawing was that of a saxony pistol, similair to those used by the electoral guards of augustus the first etc. Bolek liked this project so much he persuaded me to change the design to something he thought to be a representation of the early 16th century. I do like the design still, but i must admit that this piece is nothing like a real 16th century design. The mechanism however does work flawlesly (it trows a lot of sparks and fires like it should). Most other self spanning wheel locks don't have a large enough rotation to trow sufficient sparks, making them more a decorative piece than a ussuable piece (this is what i learned, but i don't have a library of 3000 books sadly hahaha ) I do like to keep you as a friend ( ) so i placed some other threads with my personal collection below. I hope you will enjoy them better than the pistol http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17753 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17763 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17547 http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=17548

5th December 2013, 11:22 AM	#3
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	As our forum can need each and every bit of merchandising, I linked posts #115ff. above to ForgottenWeapons.com, in relation to that ca. 1540 Rotunda breechloading wheellock arquebus I posted here. Michael December 5, 2013 at 2:50 am · Reply http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showth...h+loading+1540 Please see the thread linked here, especially posts #115ff, where I posted, along with two more guns by the same maker, your ca. 1540 breechloading Augsburg wheellock arquebus. The makers mark, a double-struck falchion flanked by two stars, for Christoph Arnold of Augsburg, appears also on the breech of the finely preserved Berlin arquebus, which additionally bears the date 1540 on both the barrel and the underside of the stock. And please tell that guy Iain, who presented the gun in the video, that he was telling some rubbish when stating that the wheel was missing, etc. Best, Michael

5th December 2013, 06:08 PM	#4
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	The item i was talking about in a other thread, my own wheel lock breech loading chamber with pan and pancover. Also the rifle it belonged to, alas i didn't have 40K in my pocket at the time to buy it The decoration is the same.

5th December 2013, 06:27 PM	#5
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Would you please care to give all the exact bibliographic details concerning the book you scanned from? (author, exact title, year of publication, ISBN ...). Thanks. Btw, the author's dating of the gun ('2nd half 16th c.') is 100 years out of reality; the piece was made in about 1665-80, which means 2nd half 17th c.. Who is this guy anyway juggling with 100 years as if they were rubber balls? Best, m

5th December 2013, 07:23 PM	#6
Marcus den toom Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Netherlands Posts: 535	The book is actually a auction cattalogue Czerny's, october 24th&25th 2009 page 566-567 My thoughts exactly, but sadly most auction houses don't have a "Michael" on there payroll

5th December 2013, 09:34 PM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Thanks a lot, Marcus, for that superb compliment! Reality though is as sad as it is true: sales people do not want mercilessly honest, dedicated and competent 'cranks' like me. What they want, and pay for, are their own spectacular descriptions that hopefully (in their view) just do one thing: sell ... For more than 30 years I have commented on pieces from my range of competence to all the big international auction houses as soon as their latest catalogs have been out. The only ones to ever thank me and include my comments in discussions with possible buyers during visiting hours are - the three London houses Bonhams, Christie's and Tom De Mar (in alphabetical order). So they, in my personal private view, are the most honest ones. They at least try ... Best, Michael