Luristan Sword

Miyamoto · 31st October 2005, 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Rivkin

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Never been a problem, afaik. There are like 3 types of fakes, all of them primitive, all of them appear in large numbers, and 99.99% of them goes under 250$.

Rivkin,

I was referring to japanese swords. If you type katana in the ebay search engine there will be 10.000 listnigs and only 5-10 of them original shinshinto, shinto or koto... Rather a hard task for a newby to find the correct ones out

No comment about their quality... The person who saw an original even once should be able to spot a chinese fake even in the gallery view...

I assume that there is an even bigger probblem with cinese warring states swords, 'cos the sellers are the same and there is less difference between two old pieces of bronze comparing to Nihonto blades, wich they will never be skilfull enough to reproduce...

About luristani and all antique blades: It is a verry hard task even for professionals to distinguish a skillfully made antique bronze sword froma a fake. Antique swords like that are verry verry easy to reproduce. I think that the only answer about the age is testing with... active carbon? if I'm not wrong. Familiar with that? I think that it is verry costly if someone offers such service. How is that matter where you live?

TVV · 1st November 2005, 12:21 AM

From my archeologist friends I know that carbon dating applies only to organic matter. Non-organic, such as bronze, will need a different method. However, if you can afford to pay for a special lab analysis of an ancient bronze weapon, you probably would not need to look at eBay at all, as you would be buying only from reputable dealers. Actually, as far as ancient weapons go, I personally stay away from the eBay ones. Just my thoughts.

Battara · 1st November 2005, 06:32 AM

The problem with the Luristan or any bronze artifact is the style and patina that anyone who knows what they are doing can fake. Legitimate restorers try to repatinate bronzes that have been damaged and this protects the piece. With ancient bronzes, one can only patinate so much and then it is no different at first glance than one done 3000 years ago.

1st November 2005, 12:21 AM	#2
TVV Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,664	From my archeologist friends I know that carbon dating applies only to organic matter. Non-organic, such as bronze, will need a different method. However, if you can afford to pay for a special lab analysis of an ancient bronze weapon, you probably would not need to look at eBay at all, as you would be buying only from reputable dealers. Actually, as far as ancient weapons go, I personally stay away from the eBay ones. Just my thoughts.

1st November 2005, 06:32 AM	#3
Battara EAAF Staff Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Louisville, KY Posts: 7,280	The problem with the Luristan or any bronze artifact is the style and patina that anyone who knows what they are doing can fake. Legitimate restorers try to repatinate bronzes that have been damaged and this protects the piece. With ancient bronzes, one can only patinate so much and then it is no different at first glance than one done 3000 years ago.