Italian flintlock pistol

Pukka Bundook · 15th November 2013, 02:39 AM

I don't really think the pistol in the original post here is of any great age.
All the metalwork looks quite new, "Sharp" even, and has none of the slightly worn appearance seen on arms of the 18th century and earlier.
It appears whoever made it was unfamiliar with construction methods of the 17th/18th century, and wasn't much of a hand at inletting.

Very best wishes,
Richard.

Miqueleter · 15th November 2013, 07:06 AM

All, if you have access to Art, Arms and Armour '79, page 340, you will see Marchesan (central Italy) romanlocks and pistols not unlike the subject pistol. May not be much help, but it is the place I looked first when I saw the subject pistol lock.

Matus · 18th November 2013, 01:57 PM

Hi,

@Miqueleter - could you please post a scan/photo of that page?

I found another similar example in a Czech book, but I have to make a better scan first.

@Richard - holding the pistol in hands I have no doubts it's 18th century. I can compare to other pieces in my collection.

@Michael - it's an honour to have you in my thread. Welcome back!!!

Regards,
Matus

Miqueleter · 19th November 2013, 05:02 AM

Matus, here you go. Not a very good scan. but it will have to do.

Matchlock · 19th November 2013, 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matus

Hi,

@Miqueleter - could you please post a scan/photo of that page?

I found another similar example in a Czech book, but I have to make a better scan first.

@Richard - holding the pistol in hands I have no doubts it's 18th century. I can compare to other pieces in my collection.

@Michael - it's an honour to have you in my thread. Welcome back!!!

Regards,
Matus

Thank you such much, Matus,

I just felt I had to go and make an input, though miquelets are not exactly my field of specification.

Thank God we now have Miqueleter caring for the suject - nomen est omen!

Best,
Michael

Miqueleter · 19th November 2013, 09:37 AM

Michael, I am very pleased by your confidence in my "miqueletology", however, I am a late arrival on this forum as the Fernandos cover/have covered the miquelet matters in a timely and superb manner. I butt in only when I can offer something not already said or shown. Still, I am honored to be of help to anyone when the situation arises.

Matchlock · 19th November 2013, 10:41 AM

Hi Miqueleter,

Superbly put - I like it a lot and am sure that your authority will easily suffice to teach us here on your special subject!

Best,
Michael

Matus · 19th November 2013, 06:50 PM

Hi Miqueleter, all,

many thanks for the scan!

And here is the promised scan/photo from the Czech book "Sbirka pistoli a revolveru" (Collection of pistols and revolvers).
The author dates it to the end of 17th century, Central Italy. Total length is 37 cm.

Regards,
Matus

19th November 2013, 05:02 AM	#4
Miqueleter Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 39	Matus, here you go. Not a very good scan. but it will have to do. Attached Images

19th November 2013, 06:50 PM	#8
Matus Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 35	Hi Miqueleter, all, many thanks for the scan! And here is the promised scan/photo from the Czech book "Sbirka pistoli a revolveru" (Collection of pistols and revolvers). The author dates it to the end of 17th century, Central Italy. Total length is 37 cm. Regards, Matus Attached Images

15th November 2013, 02:39 AM	#1
Pukka Bundook Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 803	I don't really think the pistol in the original post here is of any great age. All the metalwork looks quite new, "Sharp" even, and has none of the slightly worn appearance seen on arms of the 18th century and earlier. It appears whoever made it was unfamiliar with construction methods of the 17th/18th century, and wasn't much of a hand at inletting. Very best wishes, Richard.

15th November 2013, 07:06 AM	#2
Miqueleter Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 39	All, if you have access to Art, Arms and Armour '79, page 340, you will see Marchesan (central Italy) romanlocks and pistols not unlike the subject pistol. May not be much help, but it is the place I looked first when I saw the subject pistol lock.

18th November 2013, 01:57 PM	#3
Matus Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 35	Hi, @Miqueleter - could you please post a scan/photo of that page? I found another similar example in a Czech book, but I have to make a better scan first. @Richard - holding the pistol in hands I have no doubts it's 18th century. I can compare to other pieces in my collection. @Michael - it's an honour to have you in my thread. Welcome back!!! Regards, Matus

19th November 2013, 09:37 AM	#6
Miqueleter Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 39	Michael, I am very pleased by your confidence in my "miqueletology", however, I am a late arrival on this forum as the Fernandos cover/have covered the miquelet matters in a timely and superb manner. I butt in only when I can offer something not already said or shown. Still, I am honored to be of help to anyone when the situation arises.

19th November 2013, 10:41 AM	#7
Matchlock (deceased) Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Bavaria, Germany - the center of 15th and 16th century gunmaking Posts: 4,310	Hi Miqueleter, Superbly put - I like it a lot and am sure that your authority will easily suffice to teach us here on your special subject! Best, Michael