Middle Sepik dagger.

VANDOO · 18th October 2013, 05:09 AM

ONE MORE ABELAM DAGGER 17 IN. LONG LOOKS LIKE A PARROTS HEAD ON ONE SIDE AND THE WINGS OR PERHAPS A COCATOOS CROWN FEATHERS ARE CARVED ON THE TOP AT THE OTHER SIDE WITH A HUMAN FIGURE BELOW.

Tim Simmons · 18th October 2013, 04:31 PM

The parrot heads are a little more stylised on mine.

manteris1 · 22nd October 2013, 03:25 AM

here is a few more....................jimmy

VANDOO · 22nd October 2013, 05:31 AM

THEY SAY THESE WERE USED FOR REVENGE KILLING AND LEFT STICKING IN THE SLEEPING VICTUM. JIMMYS FIRST PICTURE LOOKS LIKE IT IS SAYING "I'M AM GLAD YOU'RE DEAD YOU RASKEL YOU!

Robert · 24th October 2013, 09:16 PM

Well, here is what looks like a small crocodile jaw bone dagger. It is approximately 10 inches in length. The photos make it looks extremely bleached out but I think that it is most likely because of the flash. What do the experts think, is this croc or not?

Robert

VANDOO · 24th October 2013, 10:29 PM

I HAVE SEEN SOME THAT LOOK LIKE THIS MADE RECENTLY IN THE USA FROM ALIGATOR JAWS. USUALLY YOU CAN SEE WHERE POWER TOOLS, SAWS AND GRINDERS HAVE BEEN USED ON THESE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS MADE IN NEW GUINEA OR FROM CROC JAW BUT COULD BE WRONG. I DON'T KNOW IF THE NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES MADE SUCH DAGGERS IN THE OLD DAYS BUT THE GATORS WERE VERY NUMEROUS THEN SO IT IS POSSIBLE.
THE GATOR JAWS AND SKULLS ARE USUALLY CLEANED WITH STRONG BLEACH SO IF IT LOOKS BLEACHED WHITE ( AS IT APEARS IN THE PICTURES) THAT IS ANOTHER THING TO LOOK FOR. THE NEW GATOR JAW KNIVES ARE NEAT BUT NOT REALLY ETHINOGRAPHIC BUT IT IS GOOD TO SEE ONE IN THIS POST FOR COMPARASON.

Robert · 24th October 2013, 11:09 PM

Thank you very much for your opinion and information. I will look for the telltale marks left by power tools when it arrives. If it does not show any of these signs if you would like I could send it to you for a first hand look at it and final evaluation. Thanks again.

Robert

18th October 2013, 05:09 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ONE MORE ABELAM DAGGER 17 IN. LONG LOOKS LIKE A PARROTS HEAD ON ONE SIDE AND THE WINGS OR PERHAPS A COCATOOS CROWN FEATHERS ARE CARVED ON THE TOP AT THE OTHER SIDE WITH A HUMAN FIGURE BELOW. Attached Images

18th October 2013, 04:31 PM	#2
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,922	The parrot heads are a little more stylised on mine. Attached Images

22nd October 2013, 03:25 AM	#3
manteris1 Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 114	here is a few more....................jimmy Attached Images

24th October 2013, 09:16 PM	#5
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Well, here is what looks like a small crocodile jaw bone dagger. It is approximately 10 inches in length. The photos make it looks extremely bleached out but I think that it is most likely because of the flash. What do the experts think, is this croc or not? Robert Attached Images

24th October 2013, 10:29 PM	#6
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	I HAVE SEEN SOME THAT LOOK LIKE THIS MADE RECENTLY IN THE USA FROM ALIGATOR JAWS. USUALLY YOU CAN SEE WHERE POWER TOOLS, SAWS AND GRINDERS HAVE BEEN USED ON THESE. I DON'T THINK IT WAS MADE IN NEW GUINEA OR FROM CROC JAW BUT COULD BE WRONG. I DON'T KNOW IF THE NATIVE AMERICAN TRIBES MADE SUCH DAGGERS IN THE OLD DAYS BUT THE GATORS WERE VERY NUMEROUS THEN SO IT IS POSSIBLE. THE GATOR JAWS AND SKULLS ARE USUALLY CLEANED WITH STRONG BLEACH SO IF IT LOOKS BLEACHED WHITE ( AS IT APEARS IN THE PICTURES) THAT IS ANOTHER THING TO LOOK FOR. THE NEW GATOR JAW KNIVES ARE NEAT BUT NOT REALLY ETHINOGRAPHIC BUT IT IS GOOD TO SEE ONE IN THIS POST FOR COMPARASON. Last edited by VANDOO; 25th October 2013 at 01:32 AM.

22nd October 2013, 05:31 AM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	THEY SAY THESE WERE USED FOR REVENGE KILLING AND LEFT STICKING IN THE SLEEPING VICTUM. JIMMYS FIRST PICTURE LOOKS LIKE IT IS SAYING "I'M AM GLAD YOU'RE DEAD YOU RASKEL YOU!

24th October 2013, 11:09 PM	#7
Robert EAAF Staff Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Centerville, Kansas Posts: 2,196	Thank you very much for your opinion and information. I will look for the telltale marks left by power tools when it arrives. If it does not show any of these signs if you would like I could send it to you for a first hand look at it and final evaluation. Thanks again. Robert