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Bjorn · 8th October 2013, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Marcokeris

Pamor Atlas is a self publishing book (2006) by Ing E.A.N. Van Veenedaal. Is written all in german language so impossible for me to understand. Is a list of "not clear" pics of pamors. I have this book only because i like to have all (nice or bad) books, articles, etc about keris

Please don't go holiday in the Netherlands and tell people there they speak German

They might give you the evil eye!

Joking aside, German and Dutch are often mixed up but the Pamoratlas is written in Dutch.

I have a copied version of the book myself and the quality of the pictures is not that good. I always suspected this was due to the quality of the copies but it seems the source material's quality leaves something to be desired.

Marcokeris · 8th October 2013, 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yuuzan

Please don't go holiday in the Netherlands and tell people there they speak German

They might give you the evil eye!

Joking aside, German and Dutch are often mixed up but the Pamoratlas is written in Dutch.

I have a copied version of the book myself and the quality of the pictures is not that good. I always suspected this was due to the quality of the copies but it seems the source material's quality leaves something to be desired.

Sorry you are right is not German ...but if they give me the devil eye i surely will be very happy

max · 8th October 2013, 07:05 PM

I know that the pamor is also familiar by the name of Gebagan Agal. Djajasukatgo III (1861-1893) made such pamor for PB IX.

Sajen · 8th October 2013, 07:30 PM

There is another plublication from van Veenendaal I am aware of, "Krisgrepen en Scheden uit Bali en Lombok", in my opinion a very good booklet. I have had email contact once with him and it seems that he have a very good knowledge about the balinese culture. So far I know he was married with a woman from Indonesia which is sadly gone. And it is true that he is stays every year for month in Indonesia.

Richard Furrer · 8th October 2013, 10:08 PM

I would like copies of both his booklets of possible...whatever the language.

I can not name that Pamor, but I can tell you how it is forged.

Ric

A. G. Maisey · 9th October 2013, 12:22 AM

Thank you for that information Max.
I would greatly appreciate it if you would advise the source for your information, that is from what book, or person did you learn that the pamor motif shown by Sirek was made by Jayasukadgo III for PB IX.
If possible a picture of the pamor that was made by Jayasukadgo III would be equally appreciated.
Thank you.

A. G. Maisey · 9th October 2013, 03:28 AM

Thank you Marco and Yuuzan for your information in respect of the Pamoratlas.

Henk · 9th October 2013, 11:03 AM

I had the pleasure to meet Mr. Van Veenendaal a few times personally. His collection is very impressive and he has a great knowledge about keris.
Mr. Van Veenendaal is a member of the welknown studygroup the keris founded by the late G.J.F.J. Tammens.

When i was a guest at Mr. Van Veenendaal he was busy wrighting these two works.
For the statement in this discussion, when you have an original copy of his work the pictures are good. It was published in a limited edition for a happy few. I know that copys where made that ended on auction sites.

8th October 2013, 07:05 PM	#3
max Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 12	I know that the pamor is also familiar by the name of Gebagan Agal. Djajasukatgo III (1861-1893) made such pamor for PB IX.

8th October 2013, 07:30 PM	#4
Sajen Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Germany, Dortmund Posts: 9,413	There is another plublication from van Veenendaal I am aware of, "Krisgrepen en Scheden uit Bali en Lombok", in my opinion a very good booklet. I have had email contact once with him and it seems that he have a very good knowledge about the balinese culture. So far I know he was married with a woman from Indonesia which is sadly gone. And it is true that he is stays every year for month in Indonesia.

8th October 2013, 10:08 PM	#5
Richard Furrer Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin Posts: 163	I would like copies of both his booklets of possible...whatever the language. I can not name that Pamor, but I can tell you how it is forged. Ric

9th October 2013, 12:22 AM	#6
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Thank you for that information Max. I would greatly appreciate it if you would advise the source for your information, that is from what book, or person did you learn that the pamor motif shown by Sirek was made by Jayasukadgo III for PB IX. If possible a picture of the pamor that was made by Jayasukadgo III would be equally appreciated. Thank you.

9th October 2013, 03:28 AM	#7
A. G. Maisey Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 7,085	Thank you Marco and Yuuzan for your information in respect of the Pamoratlas.

9th October 2013, 11:03 AM	#8
Henk Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 1,209	I had the pleasure to meet Mr. Van Veenendaal a few times personally. His collection is very impressive and he has a great knowledge about keris. Mr. Van Veenendaal is a member of the welknown studygroup the keris founded by the late G.J.F.J. Tammens. When i was a guest at Mr. Van Veenendaal he was busy wrighting these two works. For the statement in this discussion, when you have an original copy of his work the pictures are good. It was published in a limited edition for a happy few. I know that copys where made that ended on auction sites.