Middle-Eastern Dagger?

VANDOO · 9th September 2013, 03:12 AM

ONE THING FOR SURE IS THIS DAGGER IS NOT NEW OFF THE STORE SHELF.

IT HAS BEEN CARRIED AND USED SOMETIMES ROUGHLY FOR MANY YEARS BY A TRIBESMAN. IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE POMMEL MAY HAVE BEEN USED MORE THAN ONCE TO TRY AND DRIVE A NAIL. A GOOD OLD USED DAGGER WITH STORIES TO TELL

BRASS IS NOT MAGNETIC AND IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR SCABBARDS TO BE PLATED OR WASHED WITH SILVER FOR LOOKS. IF YOU SEE A BRASS COLOR SHOWING THRU THEN THAT IS LIKELY WHAT THE SCABBARD IS MADE OF. THE DECORATIVE FITTINGS COULD BE THE SAME BUT MAY BE SILVER.

tonil · 9th September 2013, 09:03 AM

thank you vandoo for the info, i did clean the scabbard and decorative pieces when i was given this dagger,it was that colour silver goes when it gets dirty. i cannot see a brass colour showing through, but the tip of the scabbard is a brass colour. would you have any idea of the age, as you say it does look like it has been used and worn. many thanks tom

Richard G · 9th September 2013, 03:37 PM

Here, if it works, is a photograph of a Kurd taken by Wilfred Thesiger in 1950.
Regards
Richard

VANDOO · 9th September 2013, 06:23 PM

JUDGEING FROM THE PICTURES I WOULD GUESS A HUNDERED YEARS OR MORE IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. BEARING IN MIND 100 YEARS AGO IS NOT VERY LONG OVER 100 YEARS AGO MY GRANDPARENTS WHO I KNEW INTO MY EARLY 20'S CAME OUT TO OKLAHOMA FOR THE LAND RUSH IN A HORSE AND WAGON FROM KANSAS. IN MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD PEOPLE STILL LIVE THE SAME AS THEY DID HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO AND LITTLE HAS CHANGED LOCALLY. THEY MAY ONLY HAVE ONE DAGGER IN A LIFETIME AND PASS IT DOWN THRU THE FAMILY UNTIL IT WEARS OUT.

9th September 2013, 03:37 PM	#3
Richard G Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 415	Here, if it works, is a photograph of a Kurd taken by Wilfred Thesiger in 1950. Regards Richard Attached Images

9th September 2013, 03:12 AM	#1
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	ONE THING FOR SURE IS THIS DAGGER IS NOT NEW OFF THE STORE SHELF. IT HAS BEEN CARRIED AND USED SOMETIMES ROUGHLY FOR MANY YEARS BY A TRIBESMAN. IT KIND OF LOOKS LIKE THE POMMEL MAY HAVE BEEN USED MORE THAN ONCE TO TRY AND DRIVE A NAIL. A GOOD OLD USED DAGGER WITH STORIES TO TELL BRASS IS NOT MAGNETIC AND IT IS NOT UNUSUAL FOR SCABBARDS TO BE PLATED OR WASHED WITH SILVER FOR LOOKS. IF YOU SEE A BRASS COLOR SHOWING THRU THEN THAT IS LIKELY WHAT THE SCABBARD IS MADE OF. THE DECORATIVE FITTINGS COULD BE THE SAME BUT MAY BE SILVER.

9th September 2013, 09:03 AM	#2
tonil Member Join Date: Aug 2013 Posts: 7	thank you vandoo for the info, i did clean the scabbard and decorative pieces when i was given this dagger,it was that colour silver goes when it gets dirty. i cannot see a brass colour showing through, but the tip of the scabbard is a brass colour. would you have any idea of the age, as you say it does look like it has been used and worn. many thanks tom

9th September 2013, 06:23 PM	#4
VANDOO (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: OKLAHOMA, USA Posts: 3,138	JUDGEING FROM THE PICTURES I WOULD GUESS A HUNDERED YEARS OR MORE IS NOT OUT OF THE QUESTION. BEARING IN MIND 100 YEARS AGO IS NOT VERY LONG OVER 100 YEARS AGO MY GRANDPARENTS WHO I KNEW INTO MY EARLY 20'S CAME OUT TO OKLAHOMA FOR THE LAND RUSH IN A HORSE AND WAGON FROM KANSAS. IN MANY PLACES IN THE WORLD PEOPLE STILL LIVE THE SAME AS THEY DID HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO AND LITTLE HAS CHANGED LOCALLY. THEY MAY ONLY HAVE ONE DAGGER IN A LIFETIME AND PASS IT DOWN THRU THE FAMILY UNTIL IT WEARS OUT.