Katzbalger found at excavation and restored.

ThisisDustin · 11th July 2013, 01:01 AM

I would hate to burst bubbles but I personally cannot believe that is an actual restoration and not a recreation. What's important to realize with a sword in a heavily excavated condition like that is that you're not just seeing a layer of rust on top but a complete decomposition and oxidation through the metal. From a conservation standpoint there is literally nothing you can do. There is nothing left to work with

. Plus all of the pieces have essentially fused together making it impossible to access parts of the sword. Having handled pieces like this I can attest to how absolutely brittle they are. It would destroy the sword to even attempt to wipe at it let alone buff it. Hence, I am curious where you saw this. A link would be most welcome.

That said it is very cool! And even if it is a recreation it seems to really capture what this Katzbalger may have looked like in its working life.

cornelistromp · 12th July 2013, 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ThisisDustin

I would hate to burst bubbles but I personally cannot believe that is an actual restoration and not a recreation. What's important to realize with a sword in a heavily excavated condition like that is that you're not just seeing a layer of rust on top but a complete decomposition and oxidation through the metal. From a conservation standpoint there is literally nothing you can do. There is nothing left to work with

. Plus all of the pieces have essentially fused together making it impossible to access parts of the sword. Having handled pieces like this I can attest to how absolutely brittle they are. It would destroy the sword to even attempt to wipe at it let alone buff it. Hence, I am curious where you saw this. A link would be most welcome.

That said it is very cool! And even if it is a recreation it seems to really capture what this Katzbalger may have looked like in its working life.

I have a little more information I can not share unfortunately due to a possible future publication.
when I look at the pictures I see a water find in exceptionally good condition, even the cutting edges and thin point are not oxidized, do not be fooled by the buckling/nick and remains of organic material eg leather sheath.

a decomposition or strong oxidizing through the metal, is absolutely no question and not the case here.
I think it is a sublime carried out expert restoration.

best,

cornelistromp · 19th November 2013, 04:06 PM

I would like to add another landknechtsword with comb pommel, it is a composite sword cq. ex. Katzbalger found in 2012 in Oirschot/Netherlands.

the pommel and blade are belonging to a early (first half of 16thC) Katzbalger as the examples shown in this thread.
but the parry guard is of a later date (mid 16thC) and has been added later and adapted to the new sword function.The upper bracket and pas d'ane are broken off.

it looks like a developed Katzbalger without the 8 shaped guard.
very interesting is that it probably has been done in the 16thC.

also note the serrated edge of the pommel that can be seen even at some landsknecht dagger guards. fe http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15420

best,

11th July 2013, 01:01 AM	#1
ThisisDustin Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Posts: 1	Interesting! I would hate to burst bubbles but I personally cannot believe that is an actual restoration and not a recreation. What's important to realize with a sword in a heavily excavated condition like that is that you're not just seeing a layer of rust on top but a complete decomposition and oxidation through the metal. From a conservation standpoint there is literally nothing you can do. There is nothing left to work with . Plus all of the pieces have essentially fused together making it impossible to access parts of the sword. Having handled pieces like this I can attest to how absolutely brittle they are. It would destroy the sword to even attempt to wipe at it let alone buff it. Hence, I am curious where you saw this. A link would be most welcome. That said it is very cool! And even if it is a recreation it seems to really capture what this Katzbalger may have looked like in its working life.

19th November 2013, 04:06 PM	#3
cornelistromp Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,064	I would like to add another landknechtsword with comb pommel, it is a composite sword cq. ex. Katzbalger found in 2012 in Oirschot/Netherlands. the pommel and blade are belonging to a early (first half of 16thC) Katzbalger as the examples shown in this thread. but the parry guard is of a later date (mid 16thC) and has been added later and adapted to the new sword function.The upper bracket and pas d'ane are broken off. it looks like a developed Katzbalger without the 8 shaped guard. very interesting is that it probably has been done in the 16thC. also note the serrated edge of the pommel that can be seen even at some landsknecht dagger guards. fe http://www.vikingsword.com/vb/showthread.php?t=15420 best, Attached Images