Looking for a rapier identical to this one.

fernando · 3rd July 2013, 05:19 PM

Tricky question ... as the concept of rapier is a bit discussable.
... Chris Evans would better guide you into that universe

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Speaking of a "true" rapier the blade would be completely dull.
I have once seen a rapier blade, which blade was a highly tense diamond section dull "iron". I believe even their points don't have to be very sharp, due to their thrusting abilities.
Swords like the ones posted here are rapiers of second generation, to put it that way; their blades being more or less sharp like many other swords; not razor sharp ... simply sharp.
I guess this evolution was mostly based on the fact that original rapiers were destined for restricted purposes, to be used by previleged classes, either in fencing schools or, when in street fights, obliging for both opponents to be school trained.
... Whereas later ones could be effective in the hands of the common man, something more realistic as, when the moment comes, fighting is how you manage do it and not by following demanding manuals.
I hope all this makes some sense

kronckew · 3rd July 2013, 07:30 PM

i had an ulterior motive for asking.

as this is the EU, this czech was free to immigrate to gloucestershire. she even brought her clothing. needle pointy with the schwech (foible - 1st third back from the point) mildly sharpened but won't cut paper, the rest is as sharp as a butter knife.

fernando · 3rd July 2013, 07:42 PM

Is this original ?

kronckew · 3rd July 2013, 08:16 PM

i cannot tell a lie. she IS 'original', but she is very young

she was only born last week after a 5 week gestation period. took her a week to travel here from prague. she arrived yesterday. she and her clothes were custom made to my measurements. we seemed to have slightly different opinions on what 'sharp' means tho.

ah, well. i've got some nice diamond stones.

more kiddy porn:

i told him i was after historical accuracy, as much as possible anyway. he seems to have done a good job. i was after a 'user' rather than a noble's fashion accessory.

p.s. - he makes ones much like yours as well

fernando · 6th July 2013, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by kronckew

... p.s. - he makes ones much like yours as well

Thanks for the heads up Wayne, but i only pick real antique stuff ... with seppuku prices

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No practicing; only exhibiting them ... to myself

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kronckew · 7th July 2013, 10:04 AM

i like looking at old ones too.

i also like being able to poke holes in melons and milk jugs and slice them into paper thin slices with well made historical reproductions that i can stress without worry; and i can try stuff with them i would never try with one of my actual antiques. knowing how they handle is half the fun.

why get any modern 'tactical' sharp pointy things when the old styles are battle tested. they are also cheaper tho frequently more utilitarian and not up to the same level of craftsmanship and finesse. i also like to keep these traditional smithies funded to keep the skills alive as much as possible.

i recall seeing the sutton hoo horde with the relic weapons displayed with the reconstructed replicas. much more informative.

Dmitry · 9th July 2013, 03:25 PM

Just curious...why did you choose to buy a rapier that doesn't resemble a historical weapon, but is a "fantasy piece"?

3rd July 2013, 05:19 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Tricky question ... as the concept of rapier is a bit discussable. ... Chris Evans would better guide you into that universe . Speaking of a "true" rapier the blade would be completely dull. I have once seen a rapier blade, which blade was a highly tense diamond section dull "iron". I believe even their points don't have to be very sharp, due to their thrusting abilities. Swords like the ones posted here are rapiers of second generation, to put it that way; their blades being more or less sharp like many other swords; not razor sharp ... simply sharp. I guess this evolution was mostly based on the fact that original rapiers were destined for restricted purposes, to be used by previleged classes, either in fencing schools or, when in street fights, obliging for both opponents to be school trained. ... Whereas later ones could be effective in the hands of the common man, something more realistic as, when the moment comes, fighting is how you manage do it and not by following demanding manuals. I hope all this makes some sense

3rd July 2013, 07:30 PM	#2
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,239	i had an ulterior motive for asking. as this is the EU, this czech was free to immigrate to gloucestershire. she even brought her clothing. needle pointy with the schwech (foible - 1st third back from the point) mildly sharpened but won't cut paper, the rest is as sharp as a butter knife.

3rd July 2013, 07:42 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Is this original ?

3rd July 2013, 08:16 PM	#4
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,239	i cannot tell a lie. she IS 'original', but she is very young she was only born last week after a 5 week gestation period. took her a week to travel here from prague. she arrived yesterday. she and her clothes were custom made to my measurements. we seemed to have slightly different opinions on what 'sharp' means tho. ah, well. i've got some nice diamond stones. more kiddy porn: i told him i was after historical accuracy, as much as possible anyway. he seems to have done a good job. i was after a 'user' rather than a noble's fashion accessory. p.s. - he makes ones much like yours as well

7th July 2013, 10:04 AM	#6
kronckew Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Room 101, Glos. UK Posts: 4,239	i like looking at old ones too. i also like being able to poke holes in melons and milk jugs and slice them into paper thin slices with well made historical reproductions that i can stress without worry; and i can try stuff with them i would never try with one of my actual antiques. knowing how they handle is half the fun. why get any modern 'tactical' sharp pointy things when the old styles are battle tested. they are also cheaper tho frequently more utilitarian and not up to the same level of craftsmanship and finesse. i also like to keep these traditional smithies funded to keep the skills alive as much as possible. i recall seeing the sutton hoo horde with the relic weapons displayed with the reconstructed replicas. much more informative.

9th July 2013, 03:25 PM	#7
Dmitry Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 607	Just curious...why did you choose to buy a rapier that doesn't resemble a historical weapon, but is a "fantasy piece"?