Indian Pesh-Kabz for comment

bhushan_lawate · 5th May 2013, 03:47 PM

Hi,

In my opinion the grip slabs are elephant ivory and not walrus.

A nice piece though....!!!! My inclination is North India Mughal influence late 18th century.

We should be able to find more as the experts come in

Regards,
Bhushan

weapons 27 · 5th May 2013, 05:18 PM

salut cerjak
ton peshkabz est afghan 19ième , je pense que la poignée est en ivoire d'éléphant... pas du morse..

It is an afghan peshkabz 19th, I think that the handle is of the elephant,not the walrus

Cerjak · 5th May 2013, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by weapons 27

salut cerjak
ton peshkabz est afghan 19ième , je pense que la poignée est en ivoire d'éléphant... pas du morse..

It is an afghan peshkabz 19th, I think that the handle is of the elephant,not the walrus

Hi Weapon 27 & Bhushan
Thank you for your answer unfortunately It 's not helping me about age and origin so 18 or 19 Th century ? Indian or Afghan ?

About the hilt yours opinion are the same so I safe

Tim Simmons · 5th May 2013, 05:59 PM

Looks more like camel bone, but a nice real old knife.

weapons 27 · 5th May 2013, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cerjak

Hi Weapon 27 & Bhushan
Thank you for your answer unfortunately It 's not helping me about age and origin so 18 or 19 Th century ? Indian or Afghan ?

About the hilt yours opinion are the same so I safe

19ième afhgan

AJ1356 · 7th May 2013, 07:33 AM

As others have stated, it is Afghan not Indian, the grip would be elephant ivory. I'd say 20th century, not 19th.

ariel · 7th May 2013, 03:49 PM

There was a discussion once on another forum about afghani chooras.
One person put forward a proposition that choora was a direct descendant of the karud, adapted for softer clothes, at the time whan chainmail went out of fashion ( or use). Thus, he claimed that all chooras date from the 20th century, supporting this assertion by the lack of iconographic evidence of their existence in the 19th cen. drawings or photographs.

Since the object in question obviously belongs to the choora/karud group as based on the configuration of its blade, this assertion is very relevant to the topic of this discussion.

My question: any examples of documented chooras from the 19th century or earlier? Any iconography of the 19th century?

CharlesS · 7th May 2013, 04:14 PM

Is anyone else seeing the porous nature of the hilt scales....might this be bone, rather than ivory?

5th May 2013, 03:47 PM	#1
bhushan_lawate Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: India Posts: 77	Hi, In my opinion the grip slabs are elephant ivory and not walrus. A nice piece though....!!!! My inclination is North India Mughal influence late 18th century. We should be able to find more as the experts come in Regards, Bhushan

5th May 2013, 05:18 PM	#2
weapons 27 Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Posts: 462	salut cerjak ton peshkabz est afghan 19ième , je pense que la poignée est en ivoire d'éléphant... pas du morse.. It is an afghan peshkabz 19th, I think that the handle is of the elephant,not the walrus

5th May 2013, 05:59 PM	#4
Tim Simmons Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: What is still UK Posts: 5,855	Looks more like camel bone, but a nice real old knife.

7th May 2013, 07:33 AM	#6
AJ1356 Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Nashville Posts: 317	As others have stated, it is Afghan not Indian, the grip would be elephant ivory. I'd say 20th century, not 19th.

7th May 2013, 03:49 PM	#7
ariel Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 5,503	There was a discussion once on another forum about afghani chooras. One person put forward a proposition that choora was a direct descendant of the karud, adapted for softer clothes, at the time whan chainmail went out of fashion ( or use). Thus, he claimed that all chooras date from the 20th century, supporting this assertion by the lack of iconographic evidence of their existence in the 19th cen. drawings or photographs. Since the object in question obviously belongs to the choora/karud group as based on the configuration of its blade, this assertion is very relevant to the topic of this discussion. My question: any examples of documented chooras from the 19th century or earlier? Any iconography of the 19th century?

7th May 2013, 04:14 PM	#8
CharlesS Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Greenville, NC Posts: 1,854	Is anyone else seeing the porous nature of the hilt scales....might this be bone, rather than ivory?