Different Borneo sword

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by VVV

Willem, please let me know if any part of my explanation is difficult to understand and I will add some pictures? Sorry, sometimes I have the bad habit to take some things I have in my head for granted without making sure that the one I am discussing with also both get the implicit and agrees with it.

Michael

Thanks Michael,
I must admit that I thought your opinion was more or less based on your wish to categorize these weapons. (which is a noble goal btw)

Now I see that your opinion is laregely based on understanding the esthetics of the shape.

Thanks again.

Best regards,
Willem

[Maurice]

I did spend some time this afternoon, searching one with a similar blunt tip, but was unable to find anything what even looks like it (privat- and museumcollections).
Only one matched, but of particular piece I'm sure it had been cut off (I discussed that one with Arjan quite a while ago), as seen on the decoration which was also "cut off" at the end.....



Attached image: partly image of the ex Nijmegen museum piece of a similar decorated blade, showing the tip.

[Maurice]

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Too bad this interesting thread ends with discussing just blade-ends." It clearly doesnt bring us anywhere. Or let me ask the question than; Where does that lead us??

I'm not searching my images to get a similar blade tip for your sake, so I don't care if you're disappointed and feel like it is "too bad this interesting thread ends with discussing just blade-ends.
I'm doing my efforts for Roy and other collectors who appreciate my efforts.
Also I think my (borrowed) image has more similarities with Roy's piece as all of your posted pieces. But anyway, let's keep to the topic!

Originally Posted by Indianajones

(the first mandau I showed with the somewhat simple scabbard (of softer wood) does look almost the same as Roy's , but ofcourse I seem to be mistaken???)

Are you referring to the "blade tip"? Otherwise I don't see the similarity...

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Also Roy brought up a quite interesting question I have overlooked myself (as first attributing this piece to a specific region as seems logical) about the square hole. This hole is indeed 'very square' and seems to be created that way for a specific reason. Normally these holes are for insertion for (human) hair, but clearly a hole doesnt need to be so pronouncedly square to have hair inserted!

As Michael allready stated earlier, this is not uncommon, and I've seen these square holes with and without hair.

Originally Posted by Indianajones

But nevermind this (highly interesting) question and lets talk about something else (unimportant!).

Maybe we find other things more important as you do. Sorry for our shortcoming....

Maurice

[David]

Originally Posted by Indianajones

Too bad this interesting thread ends with discussing just blade-ends. It clearly doesnt bring us anywhere. Or let me ask the question than; Where does that lead us??
(the first mandau I showed with the somewhat simple scabbard (of softer wood) does look almost the same as Roy's , but ofcourse I seem to be mistaken???)
Also Roy brought up a quite interesting question I have overlooked myself (as first attributing this piece to a specific region as seems logical) about the square hole. This hole is indeed 'very square' and seems to be created that way for a specific reason. Normally these holes are for insertion for (human) hair, but clearly a hole doesnt need to be so pronouncedly square to have hair inserted!
But nevermind this (highly interesting) question and lets talk about something else (unimportant!).

Seriously Indiana, i suggest that you concentrate your efforts more on bringing more of your own to the conversation and spend less time ragging on the contributions of others. Member will lead the their own questions in directions that interest them and you are just as free to do the same yourself. Present your questions, state your case, but don't demand of others that they find the same things "important" and "interesting" as you do.
And btw, i do not see how this threaded has in any way come to an "end".

[Royston]

Hello Gentlemen

Thanks for all the interest and comments so far.

Sorry not to have taken part for a while but I am away from home and the internet connection here is terrible, it sometimes takes over an hour just to get a logged in !
I will not be back at home for another 3 weeks so cannot take any more photos.
On my return I will try and get some close-ups of both the end of the blade and the hilt.
I'll also double check to see if any of mine are similar but I am sure they are not.

My gut instinct is that has been "trimmed " down, but I would love to be proved wrong.

Thanks again

Roy

[asomotif]

Originally Posted by Royston

Sorry not to have taken part for a while but I am away from home and the internet connection here is terrible, it sometimes takes over an hour just to get a logged in !

Wow... is that in Wales or Scotland.

[VANDOO]

THE WOOD USED FOR THIS HANDLE SHOWS THE GRAIN AND APPEARS TO BE SOFT WOOD PERHAPS PINE OR SOME SORT OF EVERGREEN TREE NOT THE NORMAL TYPES USED. THE BLADE MAY HAVE BEEN MADE AS IT IS BECAUSE THE ORIGINAL PIECE OF METAL WAS SMALLER THAN THE USUAL SIZE OR BECAUSE THE BUYER WANTED IT MADE THAT WAY
I HAVE SEEN GOOD POINTS MADE BY ALL WHO HAVE POSTED SO FAR TRYING TO PIN DOWN INFORMATION ON THIS DYAK SWORD.
I HAVE HESITATED TO ADD TO THIS POST AS I DON'T WISH TO BE REQUIRED TO STAY STRICTLY TO WHAT SOMEONE ELSE THINKS I SHOULD ADD. I AM NOT CLOSE TO AS KNOWLEGABLE AS THOSE ALREADY POSTING AND COULD NOT GIVE BOOK REFRENCE, TITLE,PAGE AND PARAGRAPH FOR ANYTHING I MIGHT SAY.
I SEEM TO SEE ALL OF ONE KNOWLEGABLE MEMBERS POSTS BEING CRITICIZED BY ANOTHER KNOWLEGABLE MEMBER AND EVERYTHING BEING EITHER LABLED CONFUZING AND OFF TOPIC OR NOT UP TO THE SCHOLARSHIP REQUIRED FOR THIS FORUM. I AM SURPRIZED A MODERATOR HAS SCOLDED THIS MEMBER TOO. THIS IS NOT A CONTEST WHERE ONE MUST WIN AND ANOTHER LOSE BUT THAT ALL MAY LEARN, SO I ADD THIS COMMENT
THIS SORT OF THING MAY ENCOURAGE MEMBERS NOT TO POST AT ALL ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE NO CREDIENTIALS IN THE FIELD. I HAVE NO CREDIENTALS, HAVE WRITTEN NO BOOKS AND CAN'T QUOTE FROM ALL THE REFRENCES I HAVE READ OVER THE YEARS. BUT I OR A BEGINNER MAY OCASIONALY THROW IN A QUESTION THAT MIGHT REVEAL ANOTHER DIRECTION OF THOUGHT TO PERSUE.
THIS SORT OF THING CAN SCARE OFF THE NOVICE OR THOSE LESS INCLINED TO SPEAK OUT THAN MYSELF OR EVEN CAUSE A VALUABLE AND KNOWLEGABLE MEMBER TO MOVE ON. WE WANT TO ATTRACT NEW YOUNGER COLLECTORS TO THE FIELD AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET INVOLVED AND HAVE FUN. THIS IS THE ONLY FORUM I VISIT AND POST ON BECAUSE IT IS FRIENDLY AND OPEN UNLIKE OTHERS I VISITED LONG AGO AND FOUND NO TOLERANCE, WELCOME OR FUN.

[VVV]

Originally Posted by VANDOO

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THIS IS NOT A CONTEST WHERE ONE MUST WIN AND ANOTHER LOSE BUT THAT ALL MAY LEARN, SO I ADD THIS COMMENT
THIS SORT OF THING CAN SCARE OFF THE NOVICE OR THOSE LESS INCLINED TO SPEAK OUT THAN MYSELF OR EVEN CAUSE A VALUABLE AND KNOWLEGABLE MEMBER TO MOVE ON. WE WANT TO ATTRACT NEW YOUNGER COLLECTORS TO THE FIELD AND ENCOURAGE THEM TO GET INVOLVED AND HAVE FUN. THIS IS THE ONLY FORUM I VISIT AND POST ON BECAUSE IT IS FRIENDLY AND OPEN UNLIKE OTHERS I VISITED LONG AGO AND FOUND NO TOLERANCE, WELCOME OR FUN.

Barry,

I fully agree as long as everybody is here on the forum to share information in a honest way. AFAIK there is only one member out of more than 1 200 that I, and some of the other European Borneo-collectors, have a problem with regarding this.
Unless you feel that I use this, maybe too, harsh tone against any other forumites please try to understand there is an implicit context behind it in this specific case which in the long run at least I feel may benefit the forum.

Michael

PS I hope I am allowed to disclose that this specific member also is a commercial player...