Please help ID a Spadroon

fernando · 19th February 2013, 05:27 PM

Ah, the cavalry never fails us

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Much obliged, Jim my friend.

Jim McDougall · 19th February 2013, 05:34 PM

Thanks Nando! In looking at that device in the guard, I think it quite likely this is probably a grenadier officers, and quite honestly I havent seen this type device before in these. Can we get a better shot of it?
These swords ended up being copied by the French in a relatively strange turn in cross diffusion, and were colloquially termed ' l'Anglaise'. In America, in thier typical fascination with the French military fashion adopted these hilts during the 'Federal' period of neoclassicism in the 1810-20s, and the reeded ivory grips carried forward into swords used up to the Civil War.

fernando · 19th February 2013, 08:18 PM

I too would love to be able to read the wording, even not being able to translate/interpreter it; but the guy is the humbliest photographer.
I enticed him to take new and better pictures. I feel there is still more to go on this ID.

M ELEY · 20th February 2013, 05:16 AM

Very nice piece! Jim, I think you are right about grenadier, as the device on the extended guard does appear to be the typical 'flaming bomb' motiff. That might also indicate a French association, perhaps?

Hotspur · 21st February 2013, 03:16 AM

Perhaps in lieu of a better photo, the fellow could do his best in offering a transcription of the letters. Edit to add that the French spadroon blades ae usually more epee like without a full lebgth fuller to the point.

Neat sword.

Cheers

GC

Fernando K · 21st February 2013, 01:34 PM

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Fernando K · 21st February 2013, 01:40 PM

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19th February 2013, 05:27 PM	#1
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	Ah, the cavalry never fails us . Much obliged, Jim my friend.

19th February 2013, 05:34 PM	#2
Jim McDougall Arms Historian Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Route 66 Posts: 10,469	Thanks Nando! In looking at that device in the guard, I think it quite likely this is probably a grenadier officers, and quite honestly I havent seen this type device before in these. Can we get a better shot of it? These swords ended up being copied by the French in a relatively strange turn in cross diffusion, and were colloquially termed ' l'Anglaise'. In America, in thier typical fascination with the French military fashion adopted these hilts during the 'Federal' period of neoclassicism in the 1810-20s, and the reeded ivory grips carried forward into swords used up to the Civil War.

19th February 2013, 08:18 PM	#3
fernando (deceased) Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Portugal Posts: 9,694	I too would love to be able to read the wording, even not being able to translate/interpreter it; but the guy is the humbliest photographer. I enticed him to take new and better pictures. I feel there is still more to go on this ID.

20th February 2013, 05:16 AM	#4
M ELEY Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: NC, U.S.A. Posts: 2,184	Very nice piece! Jim, I think you are right about grenadier, as the device on the extended guard does appear to be the typical 'flaming bomb' motiff. That might also indicate a French association, perhaps?

21st February 2013, 03:16 AM	#5
Hotspur Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Nipmuc USA Posts: 523	Perhaps in lieu of a better photo, the fellow could do his best in offering a transcription of the letters. Edit to add that the French spadroon blades ae usually more epee like without a full lebgth fuller to the point. Neat sword. Cheers GC

21st February 2013, 01:34 PM	#6
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	E B E E N S G R I B P R O P A T R I A E P A T R I A (¿?) Fernando K

21st February 2013, 01:40 PM	#7
Fernando K Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Posts: 671	E B E E N S G R I B / P A T R I A E P R O / P A T R I A Fernando K